In this clip Start Davis and Ken Wilber discuss the ways that the executioner of the Virginia Tech shootings and the executioners of the events of 9/11 were all at a shared level of development; most likely magic or mythic, or some combination of the two. But it is not just these two levels of development that are problematic, but that a Green (relativistic) level of development (fully two to three stages higher than the aforementioned executioners) tends to become trapped in moral relativism (namely, that all views are right; all views are constructed; and that no one view is any more right than another), and as a result, possibly creates a permissive environment. What are we to do if society cannot make the difficult and decisive moral decisions necessary to help prevent these types of behavior? Cultivate, support, and encourage second-tier thinkers.