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How can we cultivate more authentic interactions between each other on this website?

What would you recommend people do to help cultivate a genuinely Integral online community?  What sorts of behaviors, intentions, values, and technological improvements would you suggest?  In what ways would your suggestion help bring more wholeness, clarity, and compassion to the rest of the community?

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Cultivating authentic interactions

 I live in a conservative (red/blue) community in West Michigan and as I search for local Integral enthusiasts within 25 miles of me I come up with zero! Therefore I have some suggestions for creating and weaving communities together:

I would like to see both global and US maps showing where the Integral members are (perhaps color coded dots indicate numbers of people in cities worldwide) so that we can all as a community track our growth. I think it would be helpful to see how many hits this site receives, and also track how many members we are in total every week. 

I think that as we begin to develop Integral Salons in our communities it would be good to have some assigned topics for discussion and a way of reporting back so that the Integral Life editors can select discussions to share from the various Integral Salons as they do now with the Integral Inquiries presented.

It would be great to interact with other Salons who may be discussing similar regional topics, perhaps by having a way to search other Salons inputs. At some point it would be great to video conference between Salons . . .

I guess I'm just hungry for the next level of development that I know is in the works! For my part, I need to figure out the blog world which is new to me . . . 

Also, a random suggestion: I'd like to see the content and conversations have dates so I know where we are in time!

Thanks for all you do!!!!!!

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The nested comments

I find the nested comments within nested comments kind of awkward, although it makes for a tidy page. I have missed comments and you don't get the whole picture of the dialog/ debate by scanning the page. Maybe I just need to get used to it.

 

UPDATE: 09/26/08

can we put a 'see all nested comments' on all pages? I'm getting really fatigued clicking through nested comments to find replies to my posts. This is just standardized usability on all 2.0 social networking sites, why mess with it? It does not change the "tidyness" to add that link that is already on some pages- indiscriminately. Please consider putting it on all pages that contain comments.

Also how about email notification of a comment having been responded to?

Love the site!

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Integral Questionaire and IntegralMonster.com job site

Seriously, I'd like to take Cook-Greuter's integral test.  You know, the one you have to pay a lot of bucks to take?  I'm sure a free and simpler version could be developed here.  The results could be kept confidential if one wishes, but that would reveal a lot about where I need to work on.

Also, I'd like to be able to post my resume here and have a space to strike up partnerships in starting integral businesses.  I have ideas and am looking for other like-minded folks to start up with.

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Integration

Overall I'd like Integral Life to integrate with the rest of my life online. I understand that there were many conscious decisions made to make it a closed community, and as such I wonder if someone could direct me or provide me with the reasons for making Integral Life a site I have to go to in order to participate and know what's going on? Currently this is very much a walled garden, precisely the reason I dislike Facebook so much. I get it that this is kind of a playground for integrally aware people, and I like that it is offering an integrally aware level of interaction and discourse. However, I long ago learned that the tools and services I use must integrate with my online activities if they are to be useful.

What Integral Life offers is compelling enough to get me to come here to the actual site. But, that is a far cry from it being an integrated part of my online life, community, and identity. I'd like for it to interact with the tools I use in daily life to engage community and information: rss, IM, microblogs ala twitter, friendfeed, blogs, an api, etc. I would like to be able to post to my personal blog and have it cross-post to my Integral Life blog. I'd like to be able to follow mine and other's activity via rss in my personal portal (netvibes). I'd like to be able to easily show people in my profile where else they can find me online (what services I'm using). Overall, I'd like to be able to find people in Integral Life and have conversations both inside and outside of Integral Life. I am not versed in the business side of all this, but I don't think the value of Integral Life as a service lessons if these things are offered.

Anyway, I'm sure most of this is old news and stuff you all have discussed/made conscious decisions about, so I suppose I'm just hoping to learn more about the reasons.

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One thing I did to dig deeper

Hello there:

To have authentic interactions I need first to be authentic, which I find is no easy task in the face of the needs and concerns of others, and more than anything, my own "lower" fears and desires...One thing I just did was ask myself 100 questions (idea from Brian Johnson's website), and the 55th one came up as an answer not a question, as follows:

"Unconditional trust in life...is based on an unconditional relationship to life...if I have conditions set upon my relationship to life, then I will not be able to trust that life...therefore, to have unconditional trust in life, I must have an unconditional relationship to that same life...I cannot be saying, "I will trust you, if..."  I must remove the "if", and then see what happens...receive what comes..."

What would unconditional trust in life look like in terms of how we communicate on this site? 

Yours,

 

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Durwin Foster

durwinfoster@gmail.com

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new comments hard to find

I am wondering if there might be a way to make new comments easier to find. On a blogpost with a lot of comments I can see that there is a new comment if I keep track of the total number of comments, but the new ones can be very difficult to find, unless I am missing something.

I don't see a show-all-subcomment feature on blogposts. That would probably help a lot, if we could simply unravel the whole thing. Perhaps there is another way as well. If there were sorting options, with one according to date posted, that would of course help a lot as well.

Thanks for a great site. It's obvious that a lot of care and heart has gone into it.

 

David

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are some blog posts removed

I'm not sure where else to put this inquiry. It does bear on this question in that it could make a difference to authenticity if some blog posts were removed by administrators or otherwse. Are posts removed and have any been removed recently? Is any notice and explanation given if this is done? I know that I recently made some responses on a Durwin Foster post and I can't find them now from my blog or otherwise. Maybe I'm just missing them. Has his blog thread been removed? And where is the equivalent of the "nugget box" from II where admin questions and inquiries can be made? Ambo

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Forum times

One idea that just comes to mind is to have set times for meetings in a conference call. people that wanted to discuss openly a prechosen topic with room to flow from there. It doesn't have to have a Integral teacher moderating it, just making a place for some in the community to post a topic that they want to talk about with the access to the free conference call line (freeconference.com for instance) and then linking folks here the info about it. So folks that don't live in Boulder per se can have more experience with others in person via the phone.

Integral and Sustainability Monday Nov. 2nd 5-7pm EST Call 1-800...

Integral Parenting

Etc.

Make sense?

Then people could call that number later to listen to it replayed or have a podcast of the call afterwards if you couldn't make it.

It would take the flow and dialogue to a new level beyond the comment system, or the teacher conference call format.

Eric

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Rotation too fast?

While I see some benefits to the way the blogs are presented and rotated on the opening community page I also see a particular disadvantage.

If there is a lot of blog activity then the rotation is so fast there are number of post that are never seen if I do not check back at least daily, or even a couple of times a day. Then, when you have a post such asRob's asking for input it is gone far to quickly to elicit a decent response. (imo)

While the featured blog can cure this somewhat, it is up to the editors discretion as to which blog merits this treatment. Maybe he/she picks right for me, maybe not.

I do not know the answer here but it seems worthwhile to kick around a bit.

Thanks

Jerry

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It is in the clarity of Conscious Awareness that Truth is revealed.

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To be more authentic with each other...

Sometimes I think there's value in re-pointing out the obvious, metaphorically making us fish better aware of the water.  To cultivate more authentic interactions between each other on this website, IMO, we must aspire to be more authentic with ourselves, within our self.  Getting honest about our shadow material, getting better with our fear of conflict (and our fear of fear), better addressing and engaging it all, at least learning to simply be with what's there in us.  Otherwise how can we be with each other, if we can't be with ourselves authentically?

 

Perhaps more than what we focus on in Integral, it's about where we focus from.

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Two Recommended features

--Friends!!! I have trouble/inconvenience when trying to contact certain people. There may be a friends tab i haven't discovered but if there isn't then it need be created. This is a social-networking site isn't it!?

 

Categorical/Specialty search for other members. My friend Brendan LaChance is thinking about how the development of prisoners could be fostered through Integral Theory. In what manner could he find someone with experience in this field? A feature that would  foster  better connection of specialists or the search for certain specialists would be an invaluable resource to this site.

 

Shane-o

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More openness on all levels

The level of complexity is too high. The headlines on the tabs are quite vague, the nested comments are a drag, and a general sense of accessibility is low. I didn't even realize you could join until I saw some post about it. It's in many ways a very neat looking site but it does appear closed. While I agree that it's good to keep out the ones who are not serious about this particular worldview, exclusiveness/elitism can also make projects dry up.

More overviews, please! I'm not so crazy about the idea of collecting friends as you can end up with countless people you know nothing about on a list , but I do think that the members' profiles could be a bit more elaborate. I live in a remote part of the world and wish to have access to people in other parts of the world. Something visually appealing such as a map sounds like a nice idea because it gives you a sense that the world is small. I find too many people out there limiting themselves because of what they perceive as great physical distances... after all the internet is supposed to counteract those feelings! I am a bit resentful that all dating sites want you to check out people in your area, and I find the same here. While it may serve some purposes, it is also limiting if other options are not available. After all, making friends based on interests is of a greater priority. While we are all "integral" we also have individual fields of expertise or interest and it might be nice to connect with people who think/conduct their lives similarly in an easy way.  

A sense of greater warmth and welcome would surely support authentic interaction between people? And I do want to stress the INTERACTION! I am wary of sites were people only post their opinions and that's it... Surely this could be different? :-)

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I tried to cultivate authentic interactions

 How can we cultivate more authentic interactions between each other on this website?

First of all, as several others here have noted, the nested threads are a drag.  Is there a reason why there can't be straight threads to show all sub-comments automatically?  Sometimes when I post a blog or a comment to a blog that I feel is integral, original, authentic, and also insightful--no one even responds back so I feel that i am talking to myself.  I often see trivial posts of lower grade or quality get featured as featured articles with many responses, so I wonder about that, too.

Secondly, I have made every effort to cultivate more authentic interactions between myself and everyone else by being totally open and honest with whatever I think or feel.  I thought that the key to authenticity was not to be fake but to be "real" and to always be truthful and honest to cultivate more authentic interactions and not "fake" or pretentious interactions..  

I do admit that sometimes that truth is not always compassionate, happy, warm, nor pretty but is sometimes ugly, cold, disappointing, critical, or maybe unbecoming to share with others because it is non-integral in behavior so makes me look "bad" or seem as if I have some kind of problem.  For the sake of cultivating authentic interactions, however, I remained true to authentic interactions because I felt that a genuinely integral online community would be tolerant and receptive to truth and authenticity of whatever form--whether pretty, petty, ugly, first tier, or whatever the case may be. But in any case I never simply post just for the hell of it to be completely useless and there's a legitimate reason why I'm posting it whether integral or no. Yet each time I posted something not exactly "integral" yet, an authentically true and genuine expression of my thoughts and feelings (such as recently when I posted about integral romance and being totally authentic and true about my experiences and thoughts--many of which were admittedly negative, non-integral, nit-picky, and frustrating yet, if nothing else real and evidently entertaining due to numerous responses)--they were met with many thumbs down of "not useful" as if it is wrong to be truthful and genuine in expression or as if no one but myself could ever experience such petty issues or as if others are too "integral" to be concerned with such matters and are above them.  

Also whenever I post a thumbs-down of "not useful" to other posts, I always make a point to state my objections or disagreements with the poster.  Often when I get "thumbs down," no explanation is provided by the rater to let me know why the post was not useful.  I don't mind if I receive thumbs-down or "not useful" in rating--but would prefer some comment response in addition to the rating to let me know what was "not useful" or disagreeable about it.  Those who simply rate something as "not useful" without stating their objection in an open forum as to why seem to not have the guts to be open and authentic.  A thumbs down rating of "not useful" without an objection or disagreement via comment response as to why they feel it is not useful is likewise "not useful" to me and I do not see the point of it.

I find it difficult to believe that only I and no one else in an online integral community could relate to such frustrations in integral romance (whether the frustrations were integral in nature or no).  I also find it very difficult to believe that a person whose center of gravity is "integral" behaves or thinks integrally 100% of the time; nor do I have any need to prove my integrality to others for acceptance in an integral online community because I know that I am and I frankly don't care if my posts come across as first tier because at least they're genuinely authentic expressions and not phony or pretentious like I see in some posts..  So I presume that many here are either phony or think it is wrong to express one's self authentically and prefer the fakeness and pretention of a mutual admiration society over authenticity when interacting in this online integral community.  As a form of silent protest I changed my posted picture on the thread to "fake," in response to the many thumbs-down and this inquiry--which claims that this community is concerned with more authentic interactions between each other on a website but evidently, only when the authenticity is positive, compassionate, warm, chummy, and integral so is conditional authenticity--with nothing else allowable or acceptable as genuinely authentic so is rather kind of fake if you ask me.

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Be Genuine and the World is Genuine with You.

I think in a way all interactions are authentic because even the self-professed pandits "already transcended" are being real, even if their realism is pretentious. So pretentiousness in this case is authentic. But I haven't run into much of this type of thing on this particular site. I like perusing forums on varying sites and there is always so much anger, name calling, arguing, and even hatred going on. It's really funny and weird and sad. 

I would just suggest a willingness to be genuine with one's self. The reason why is because then it becomes more effective when we check in with ourselves and say, "Hey, I think I'm a bit insecure and I hope everyone likes my writing even though compared to Ken I suck ass." This type of honesty makes us see our already present vulnerability, which we can then learn to love rather than react from. 

I think it all starts with example. So if I am willing to be as real as I can muster and willing to be humble and honest and genuine, then others might practice more these things as well because my own example has just, in a sense, given them permission to do it also. It's sort of like when you are at a comedy club and you don't laugh until you hear others laughing. No big deal. Just laugh! Be genuine and the world is genuine with you. 

Also, more discussions on the roadblocks and future of integral approach would be spectacular. How do we communicate integral theory to red and orange? Should we put it all into story form? Is this undermining or is it addressing people from the place they need to be addressed at that particular stage? On a side note, it is interesting that the ability to take many perspectives is a pre-requisite for being able to write a decent story. So that's kind of a cool fail safe from the universe. 

 

Much love to the integral awakening and all of us,

 

 Billy Guilfoyle, Integral Mind

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Share the Stories of Integral Culture.

Before we discovered transcription enough to describe it, we communed with each other about the absolute through relative stories and songs.  We told tales marked by our culture, and if they told the truth - they are remembered as holding elements of the timeless which can be passed down indefinitely - even when the context is far removed.   So if we wish to expose the Integral Culture, if we wish to truly understand what that culture is, and to share it's seed in a way which is digestible by those who don't even understand what a framework or theory is, we should start with a story. Children remember stories and tell each other the good ones they hear - that's the point.  
Offerings then should be made for the community from the fruit of the community:
The Story of Boxes
There four persons tread, carrying boxes handed down from the sky above the mountain. 
One of four was given a box of cyan. 
One of four was given a box of yellow. 
One of four was given a box of magenta. 
The last of four was given a box of clear walls.
Each of them had not seen each other upon the mountain top, for all had traveled alone and reached the sky from points along its face and were surprised to find each other standing with different colored boxes as they reached the bottom of the slope. Each was happy to meet another upon the lonely journey and to share the gift of the sky above the mountain.
How to rectify the situation they began to wonder, naturally as discerning folks do, of the possibility of multiple box colors? They exchanged boxes for at least they did not fear they would lose their own with such compatriot souls.  Each was happy handling the boxes given by the others, but they could not actually solve the mystery looking at them and handling them. 
When they had passed them finally all around and each had twice received the same color, one spoke.
Let us put the boxes together and see what they have to say about this to us.
And so the boxes were placed joined at the corners, so that from above the emptiness of each could be seen standing together within the different colored walls, and another spoke. 
Look at the wonderful shape they make! A larger box has been made!
They were all happy to see this, but that did not solve the mystery.  Why not all rainbow boxes?  They focused on the places where the boxes met. They rearranged the order of the boxes and even stacked one upon another in order to understand the mystery of differences. They were happy to be engaged in this way, but when they exhausted their arrangement options, another spoke.
We had it right the first time; we are second guessing the same intuition which prompted us to set out upon the mountain and to set these boxes we received beside each other. Let us put them the way we first found them all together.
And so they did and they were all happy that they had come full circle in a way but remained curiously perplexed as to the mystery which motivated them. Then the last of them felt the overwhelming urge to get dirty and so immediately lay face down on the ground and sprawled out looking through the clear box at a single rainbow line which ran from the ground to the sky at the center between each of the boxes and as it dawned they all shouted, Aha!

Peace

Michael

 

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promote expression

Hey,

Here's my suggestion :

Promote expression of people, interaction of ideas, communication in general, interactivity.

At the end of the day, we learn from each other maybe just as much as we do from ourselves, but putting our faiths, beliefs and ideas up against other people's, especially on the "world wide" web, can only be beneficial (if appropriately guided) to structuring your ideas and beliefs.

Here we have the tools to communicate across the world in ways that never before existed, I suggest you/we make good use of them.

To answer the question, in order to cultivate more authentic interactions between each other on this website, you need to increase the amount and diversity of possible ways we can interact, give us the tools to do so.

From what I see, the communication paths available on this website are too "narrow".

:)

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Some thoughts...

Let's start by actually responding to questions as they have been asked. I've observed that sometimes there's a knee-jerk reaction that being authentic is enough. Some responses to posts read like the projections they are. For example, "I'm authentically self absorbed and didn't read anything you wrote! P.S. I  love tacos..." So, here are my responses to the questions asked:

1.) For the members of the community (values/behaviors/intention): Really just practice what you're learning. Pay attention, take risks, put yourself out there, try to make connection, ask questions instead of positing ideas. You may be god's gift to integral theory but I'd much rather struggle with you over a problem than hear how you've solved one. Realize when you've gone wrong and own that too! I waited a long time to start posting. I was a member for months before I ever wrote a response. This is a culture in and of itself and I wanted to make sure I knew what was going on before I typed out some bumbling post. In other community sites I'm a part of  people will "bump" posts they find aren't getting enough attention. While the practice is annoying when the only response they give is literally the word "bump". Using affirmations or some type of encouraging response just to let people know they were heard and you valued what they had to say would be helpful.

2.)  For the Integral Life site staff etc.

Technological improvements: Ventrilo servers for the community to use. Groups and communities for the MMPORG, World of Warcraft use Ventrilo to communicate in a cost effective and efficient manner. 30 people with headsets can use it to share a common experience verbally. Communication is hard enough when you have the person right across from you. Every step of abstraction away from that one on one encounter becomes more and more difficult. Typing and writing is great because you get to edit and rework what you're saying. However, it takes far longer to write a response than say it and you miss the body language, tone, inflection, of the other person. Ventrillo would allow us to at least hear the passion or confusion in another persons voice rather than just having to guess or explicitly include emoticons that not everyone understands or uses. Here's a link to the service: http://www.ventrilo.com/ I'd love to get feedback on this.

Another good idea from WoW, is that there a guild leaders and community managers that help facilitate processes like Ventrilo, message boards, scheduling events, etc. Maybe putting some folks in place to help better facilitate processes on the site? Usually these aren't employees but volunteers from the community. Just a thought.

Great Inquiry! Thanks for facilitating this process...

Sincerely,

Brian

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Begin at the Ground Level

This is a great question, for which I don't think there is a quick and easy solution.  The question of authenticity came up in a comment to a recent post I submitted a day or two ago.  My immediate response was to start with the framework of the four quadrants.  I want to mull this question over more thoroughly with a focus more on the interaction in this site before I give any substantive comment on it, because I haven't been active here for a while.  But I think the starting point is presented in my previous comment to which the link follows.  It's in the 3rd comment to the 1st comment to my post on Applying the Four Quadrants to Community Building.

http://integrallife.com/member/bruce-wilson/blog/applying-four-quadrants-community-building#comment-105667

 Bruce

 

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General Meeting Forum

A general forum where people can just post back and forth and everyone can meet up would really help catalyze more authentic interactions. :)