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How does an understanding of stages or levels of development affect your perception of the world?
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More comfortably nuts :)
Posted August 25th, 2008 by Gayle Karen YoungI took Susanne's SCT a few years ago, "in the midst of a dark wood where the straight way was lost", and told her she must have made a mistake in the scoring. One of the reasons I felt like I was just going crazy was that moving through people was like moving kinesthetically through a tangled web of all the traps within traps that we keep ourselves and each other in, between people, within groups, organizations, and then in the fabric of our societies, then beneath that, in our very existences, and in the interlocking patterns stretched in these vast ways backwards and forwards in time, leaving me in the midst of a divorce on one level of experience, and with a sort of existential despair at another mingled with beautiful suffering (though baffling), and an inability to communicate any of that with the way language itself kept changing meanings on me. Understanding the stages of development, then, made me feel much more okay in my own skin and not batshit. :)
Towards others, there's a greater capacity for compassion, particularly when I'm connected to the underlying "Oneness" - as Neruda says in speaking of a lover, "where I does not exist nor you".
Communicating with others feels simultaneously more and less challenging. I think I'm more capable of adapting in ways that let myself be understood, but I'm also aware of how frequently I feel like a fish out of water and tap into a sense of aloneness - whee, the fun of delusions! (The times I've also felt most alone have been curiously connective - loneliness being one of the most common forms in the experiences of human suffering.)
And what motivates me to learn more - I wrote this in a blog post recently.... It's a quote from a book by Bill Torbert and his associates, including Susanne Cook-Greuter, whose work I admire tremendously. (She's also really the first person who I felt really seen by and I will always love her for that.) THIS motivates me, the element of transformation as expressed in the book "Action Inquiry -- "Who among us would voluntarily take on the continual suffering of witnessing the gaps among intentions, espoused values, actual practices, and outcomes in ourselves, in others, in organizations, and in larger social processes? Who struggles to transform such suffering, not into imprisoning neuroses or social victories at others' cost, but, rather into emancipating consciousness that graces each meeting afresh?"
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Posted September 10th, 2008 by Alvar RijnI came to this section by the inquiry: How does an understanding of stages or levels of development affect your perception of the world?
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"The mystery of why some people become stuck in ego development and why others proceed after their twenties to tip into higher levels of development is a topic I'd like to hear more about."
I think it was on a 'sounds true' CD I heard Ken Wilber say that another reason that some people get stuck in stage development (mostly between the age of 25 and 50) is simply that they are to busy with kids, their career and such. The keep developing horizontal, just not or less vertical. This doesn't explain yet how some people, with kids and a career, without being integrally informed and not meditating develop more than others.
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More Compassion and understanding towards others & myself
Posted February 18th, 2009 by Jurgen PortzLearning about stages or structures of development has been a real eye opener for me. After spending several years in an asharam in India and returning to Canada in 1998 I slowly realized the limitations of that group and it's guru leader. However, it was only when I became more familiar with Ken's work over the last 5 years that I was able to perceive the obvious impact of levels and quadrants on that particular situation. It's helped me in digesting and processing that experience and to have compassion for the people involved (including my own stage at that point in time). Since then I've continued to add the missing Western approaches to my daily spiritual practice and teaching style. Over the last few years, my wife and I have called our meditation classes "Integral Satsang." It's a challenge to teach the Integral approach but it's also very rewarding because I feel that both students and teachers can embrace a more authentic and wider path which continuously evolves. This makes it an exciting adventure in growth, both vertically & horizontally.
I've also learned to accept people more fully for where they are at due to my stage development knowledge. So rather than thinking everybody should be at my level I can now appreciate the level they are at and interact with them more patiently.
The one tool I'd really like to see is a self-assessment tool to help individuals determine where they are at in regards to levels and lines.
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My World is Nursing
Posted February 23rd, 2009 by Timothy ParishI entered the Nursing world after three years as a Physics and Math Major, a B.S. in Food Science, and almost 12 years as a Navy Hospital Corpsman. Along the way, I encountered the Tao of Physics and Carlos Casteneda, participated with werner Erhard's est seminars and series for four years and read all of Scientology's basic books four times each, and attested "Clear".
At each 'level' of nursing we addressed the current nursing theories; and given the developmental level each was (unconsciously?) designed for...LPN, ADRN, BSRN, and currently MSN, I gained significantly different understandings of those theories. Even the one nursing theory which addressed developmental levels, as Developmental Self-care Needs and deficits--Dorothea Orem's model, only covered the same first tier levels which were taught in Child Development. and the Psychology class we were offered was definitely not integral psych.
As I progressed through my on-line masters' program, (as seen in retrospect), my instructors, classmates, and I comentored each other through Orange and Green on 1-3 different developmental lines in each course. Of course, the disequilibrium-mental, emotional, and physical- which preceeded each 'felt shift' was distressing, eventually exciting as it became associated with the greater freedom of thought and experience which followed, as I continued to build bigger boxes to think outside of, and eventually gave up building for lack of 'structural' materials.
All might have gone as intended(?) had I not fixated upon a 2002 treatice by a Labor and Delivery nurse, Doris Noel Ugarriza, which placed selected post-modern era nursing theories and current healthcare into a developmental framework, Lewis's 1990 model for the development of intentionality and the role of consciousness. It was on the required reading list in my B.S. level Nursing theory class, not mentioned or discussed in class by anyone else, but it provided me with a beginning of an integral approach to health and nursing...eventually leading me to Bill Harris, Ken Wilber, and Suzanne Cook-Greuter....after exhausting all of the course input available in my program.
I do not know what developmental impact my input had on my instructors and classmates, as we comentored each other, as I brought 'upper tier' nursing theory into every discussion...may never know...but as these theories are not fully comprehendable through 'lower tier' cognitive processes, and as my masters' thesis/practicum is based upon them, I was drawn, almost dragged kicking and screaming, beyond my familiar Blue and Orange, past the Green which is described in nursing academia as Holistic, into the unknown territory of Yellow, Turquois, and Indigo, much as others have described the effects upon them of Wilber's AQAL.
Only with the structure provided by AQAL, and the descriptions of the strengths and weaknesses of each level, have I gained sufficient understanding of what I was going through to regain perspective on who I am and where I am going. And I have begun to gain a structure into which every Nursing model and theory has a place, inside or outside, interior or exterior, high or low altitude. All I intended was to perform a concept analysis of Nursing Presence, for teaching this fundamental Nursing Art. But when I started, most of my lines at Blue, Orange, or Green, I had no clue that what I was trying to perform a Formal Operations level analysis of, was what now appears to be an Indigo level ability.
My understandings of the nursing metaparadigms of Nursing, Health, Person, and Environment are so utterly different than they were three years ago, that they are difficult to state, to communicate. My practicum project is forcing me to find a linear way to communicate what I experience, but it is difficult and challenging.
the 'good' news from all of this, is that while I still have only the beginnings of verbally communcatable understandings of Nursing Presence, this does not preclude becoming able to practice it, and share it extra-verbally. And my patients and coworkers benefit,, as I learn and share this healing art.
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My World is Nursing
Posted February 23rd, 2009 by Timothy ParishI entered the Nursing world after three years as a Physics and Math Major, a B.S. in Food Science, and almost 12 years as a Navy Hospital Corpsman. Along the way, I encountered the Tao of Physics and Carlos Casteneda, participated with werner Erhard's est seminars and series for four years and read all of Scientology's basic books four times each, and attested "Clear".
At each 'level' of nursing we addressed the current nursing theories; and given the developmental level each was (unconsciously?) designed for...LPN, ADRN, BSRN, and currently MSN, I gained significantly different understandings of those theories. Even the one nursing theory which addressed developmental levels, as Developmental Self-care Needs and deficits--Dorothea Orem's model, only covered the same first tier levels which were taught in Child Development. and the Psychology class we were offered was definitely not integral psych.
As I progressed through my on-line masters' program, (as seen in retrospect), my instructors, classmates, and I comentored each other through Orange and Green on 1-3 different developmental lines in each course. Of course, the disequilibrium-mental, emotional, and physical- which preceeded each 'felt shift' was distressing, eventually exciting as it became associated with the greater freedom of thought and experience which followed, as I continued to build bigger boxes to think outside of, and eventually gave up building for lack of 'structural' materials.
All might have gone as intended(?) had I not fixated upon a 2002 treatice by a Labor and Delivery nurse, Doris Noel Ugarriza, which placed selected post-modern era nursing theories and current healthcare into a developmental framework, Lewis's 1990 model for the development of intentionality and the role of consciousness. It was on the required reading list in my B.S. level Nursing theory class, not mentioned or discussed in class by anyone else, but it provided me with a beginning of an integral approach to health and nursing...eventually leading me to Bill Harris, Ken Wilber, and Suzanne Cook-Greuter....after exhausting all of the course input available in my program.
I do not know what developmental impact my input had on my instructors and classmates, as we comentored each other, as I brought 'upper tier' nursing theory into every discussion...may never know...but as these theories are not fully comprehendable through 'lower tier' cognitive processes, and as my masters' thesis/practicum is based upon them, I was drawn, almost dragged kicking and screaming, beyond my familiar Blue and Orange, past the Green which is described in nursing academia as Holistic, into the unknown territory of Yellow, Turquois, and Indigo, much as others have described the effects upon them of Wilber's AQAL.
Only with the structure provided by AQAL, and the descriptions of the strengths and weaknesses of each level, have I gained sufficient understanding of what I was going through to regain perspective on who I am and where I am going. And I have begun to gain a structure into which every Nursing model and theory has a place, inside or outside, interior or exterior, high or low altitude. All I intended was to perform a concept analysis of Nursing Presence, for teaching this fundamental Nursing Art. But when I started, most of my lines at Blue, Orange, or Green, I had no clue that what I was trying to perform a Formal Operations level analysis of, was what now appears to be an Indigo level ability.
My understandings of the nursing metaparadigms of Nursing, Health, Person, and Environment are so utterly different than they were three years ago, that they are difficult to state, to communicate. My practicum project is forcing me to find a linear way to communicate what I experience, but it is difficult and challenging.
the 'good' news from all of this, is that while I still have only the beginnings of verbally communcatable understandings of Nursing Presence, this does not preclude becoming able to practice it, and share it extra-verbally. And my patients and coworkers benefit,, as I learn and share this healing art.
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CAUSE AND EFFECT ON VARIOUS LEVELS OF CONSCIOUSNESS
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Posted August 20th, 2008 by Lynn TrudeauI have always found the study of ego and moral development intriguing because stages help me understand those around me who irritate and confound me, as well as those who finesse circumstances far better than I have yet. I started studying Kohlberg in college 100 yrs. ago while a religious studies major and became hooked on the idea of transforming my moral development....(I am aware at this point in my life that I can't do this by desire!) I think then that I had a sense of moral superiority because I knew what the right answers were to attain a post-conventional level of development. At the same time I watched others over the years who knew nothing of the theories and who by the nature of their own development acted in a post-conventional manner. The mystery around this keeps me engaged, because not even the theroists have figured out why someone is at one level or another.....just that we have become fairly good at describing the levels we observe. Its usefulness (study of stages) in my opinion is in having compassion and empathy for those in our environment who grate on our nerves, for those who need special care, and for those who make a significant contribution but who also exact our patience. As a psychotherapist my work is enhanced by reminding myself about treatment approaches that best serve individuals at specific stages of ego development. The mystery of why some people become stuck in ego development and why others proceed after their twenties to tip into higher levels of development is a topic I'd like to hear more about. I know that Ken Wilber talks about how having increased amounts of "state" changes over time can enhance the likelihood of stage development as well as how meditation and increasing consciousness levels can also enhance that happening. Thanks to Susan for her great contribution to our understanding of self and other.