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Hi. Not infrequently reactions come up in the forum of getting no response from anyone or from some particular person. My guess is that below the threshold of actually speaking this out, it is very common in us to some degree or another of discomfort. My guess is that generally we are much more sensitive to basic social dynamics than we let on. We have learned to cope psychosocially. Maybe to some extent we have transcended; however, my bias is that this is tied into one of the very fundamental needs we have such that though having "successfully negotiated" stages in childhood, these inclusion bodies often still hurt and niggle.
I am thinking that the complexity of these psychosocial tangle nodes shows up in whether we are responded to, and whether we respond to others. This psychological stuff is probably involved in why we don't post, also. There seem to be many subscribers who seldom or never post.
What is behind the presence or absence of reaction, response, reply?
I think it might be interesting and slightly fun to make a list of possibilities of why someone's post(s) got no reply.
As quasi-rational beings we can often get past and give space around an initial reaction, like of hurt. But since the facts are unknown it's understandable that sometimes the thoughts and feelings might turn dark, paranoid or unsteady. At least I know this has been personally so.
To make a list would be more light and fun than doing a full-blown AQAL analysis. An AQAL slice and dice would acknowledge the various POVs related to quadrant, especially individual interiors in their interaction and interbeing with the collective. Though I suggested that these inner reactions might persist through various levels, maybe even into relatively 'integral', there probably would be stage differences along certain lines like emotional intelligence or psychosocial. Center of gravity maturation of the self-line would make some difference. Personality types would certainly have some bearing on feelings and reactions. And so on.
That said, again, I suggest that this is such a deeply survival related experience that for many of us, regardless of apparent development we many aren't immune to the feeling and interpretation of being snubbed and such.
Another way to get at this is that some archaic primitive perception faculties still enact some of their patterns behind the scenes of more advanced social developmental configurations. Blood pressure fluctuates, eyes dilate and constrict, micro and fleeting facial expressions register disgust and fear and such. And there is a fundamental dynamic in play that a college teacher explained, slightly modified from Ashley Montagu's version, of "Isomorphism". We react and respond at a biological level to the perceived similarity of structure, form and spirit. This means that we move towards and away from many things based on some deeply wired (-like) recognition pattern whether we are conscious or not of much detail.
Yet as culturally and psychologically sophisticated moderns and post-moderns (and beyond?) we can attribute reasons and rationales and rationalizations for our motives.
Did I make this too complicated?
Do you want to throw something into the pot?
I'll start with:
- Sometimes, I felt embarrassed or humiliated at someone's response to me, so I tried to protect myself by not responding near them.
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Posted October 23rd, 2009 by Scott MarshallA good thread of discussion.
Who cares what we have to say? Why should we respond? Hey don't kill the messenger man!
I think that a technical difficulty that commonly occurs on the integral website is that when I click, "post" an error message appears. If I don't look to see if my message posted, I might post several extra times, knocking other people's posts off the main page where others can't see them now because goodness I posted a bunch of times! Bother... This can eliminate the potential of reading some good blog post. So you have to be selective.
Shadow: Attachment, Non-attachment, and Detachment.
- Attachment: Someone will love my awesome worthwhile post.
- Non-attachment: It doesn't matter if someone loves my awesome worthwhile post.
- Detachment: My post is not me and I am not other so who cares...
In short, our language, metaphors, and subtexts show up whether or not we intended them in what we write. If one becomes offended that their post recorded no responses, shadow material is there showing up in that offense.
Im sure even Ken Wilber may get no reply's every once and a while!
Glad to write!
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Posted October 24th, 2009 by David Yoakum-shadowy self consciousness with being way younger/probably less developed than all of you regulars.
-work too much to read everything, especially long ones :(.
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Posted October 24th, 2009 by Jennifer GroveExcellent! I was thinking alot about this very issue today.
Methinks my last blog was absurdly difficult to talk about for many people. Apparently even Americans who speak English. Or at least, that's what I'm telling myself to soothe the paranoia and hurt. LOL
Really, I don't really care anymore about letting that stuff fly. Not the sex stuff. That's easy for me. The stuff that has been really difficult to talk about, and I believe may even be more difficult (as you've described) for others, is the fear/hurt/anger. The huge potential for the "hit of emptiness" - as Marc calls it - is fantastic. In fact, it's a reliable practice for it. Put your flaming soul out there and get it ignored. Works like a charm! Gotta love something that reliable!
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I see something else here too. I got perspective on how the environment effects me on this point. When I am still inside the experience, I am at it's mercy. I will be either saved or victimized by it. It has WA-A-A-A-AY too much power. And in reaction to that, I feel the impulse to either grovel or rage. Sound familiar?
Truth is, it isn't the enviro that has the power. It's my own feelings about it. They are too powerful for me to manage so far. I want the We-space to accomodate me because I don't know how to accomodate my feelings. I would rather just not have them.
My abilities to be skillful with my blog posts are less than they would be if I could manage my own feelings when being ignored. At this time, silence = personal rejection. Even tho it could mean so many more things that have ZERO to do with me. Regardless of what those are, I could be enjoying the ability to understand and navigate all those things with skill and compassion if I was less bent when I receive no response. But no-o-o-o! LOL
The whole thing is wonderful and silly and sad and I have alot of compassion for myself and anyone else who goes through this, so my hat's off to ya, man. Well done!
Incidentally, if I have ignored you at any time - it is all unintentional and most likely due to my cognitive and emotional instability. Not to mention my regularly unpaid Comcast bill.
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