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Part 1 of 4 of Zimmerman Interview on Climate Change, Video 2

Posted May 21st, 2010 by barbi hammond in climate change

In Reference to:

World Leadership Crisis. Exhibit A: Climate Change

We apologize the delay in responding to Part 2 of the video. The Universe has withheld my access to Part 2 of the interview for some undisclosed reason in spite of my uploading the audio portion months ago along with the first portion. This will be broken up into four parts to make it more manageable.

Transcript of interview (paraphrased):

Interviewer:

What are the elements ofa quality conversation if we were having a healthy conversation on climate change what would it 'look like'?

Zimmerman:

...what we have are not only disagreements between green liberal vs. modern conservative but it's more complicated than that but amounts to the typical polarizing dualizing problem hate speech it's awful with no attempt to find a common ground to study the issues to find a way that we all agree about because what are the issues? We don't agree about basic issues. What an environmental problem is for you and me is not shared by most people in the world climate change is way down the list compared to major basic needs

The mere fact that What an environmental problem is for you and me is not shared by most people in the world is an obvious no-brainer. Recent polls continue to confirm an ever-widening gap and polarity between increasing scientific certainty on human-caused climate change amids an increasingly distrustful attitude held by the public regarding scientific certainty and the consequent complacency to tackle the "hard issues" which is not to ultimately "find a common ground between people who disagree on climate change" for public relations but to tackle climate change itself.. This discrepancy between scientific certainty and public unawareness of this scientific consensus and certainty is no doubt fueled by the popular media in their efforts to present "two sides" of a "scientific debate" in the name of fairness and balance, and for the sake of controversy no matter how overwhelmingly discredited the dissenting scientific argument may be. Combined with disinformation campaigns geared not to the improvement of science, but towards public relations to influence public opinion and public policy (the so-called "Climategate scandal" being among the latest examples of a smear campaigned at diverting public attention away from mitigation efforts to reduce global warming), there is little wonder that for "most people" (and I would daresay that this would go for Zimmerman as well), climate change is way down the list of their priorities.

Whereas asking "What are the issues?" in a discussion on climate change by pointing to and citing the masses for whom climate change is "way down on the list of priorities" is one thing (and a "given" or "no brainer"), Zimmerman takes the argument a step further by claiming that climate change for most people is "way down on the list of priorities compared to their basic needs." This changes the nature of the discussion entirely in that not merely is Zimmerman citing an obvious given concerning populist attitudes towards global issues bu is pitting legitimate science in a dual opposition against "the major basic needs of most people in the world." By creating such a polarity, Zimmerman is actually doing a disservice to the integral community by endorsing a populist, nay--a mob mentality that is antagonistic towards legitimate science and which does not regard climate change to be a "basic issue" let alone a basic issue that concerns basic human needs. Consequently, it is a position that is ultimately in denial of human survival as a basic human need and is in denial of second-tier planetary survival and scarcity issues facing us at present Thus, contrary to those lofty aims or claims towards serving in the capacity of climate good-will ambassador towards all people who disagree on issues of climate change, Zimmerman's position is ultimately disingenuous in that it appears to be Zimmerman himself who is antagonizing the situation by excluding legitimate science from this "common ground" of agreement in public discourse. by adopting a populist green mentality and the scientific fringe to support his case of climate change denial. And given that it is essentially a position of climate change denial that attempts to place climate change mitigation in an either/or opposition to the basic needs of "most people in the world," we hardly regard Zimmerman to be in a position of authority or integrality to identify the elements of a quality conversation on climate change.

Interviewer:

So that number we hear a lot--that scientists are 90-95% in agreement about the co2. So what are we to make of that what we as a public to make of those kinds of numbers to know are those voices being heard?

Zimmerman:

So first of all those percentage figures are propaganda no one has polled all the scientists in the world. This is what those people who make up those figures want us to believe.

Hold up, Kemosabe. We don't know about you, but we (and dare we say, most "poepoll") understand that the interviewer is naturally not referring to the individual views of every single scientist in the world but.to studies or surveys that were conducted on individual scientists, universities, laboratories, and studies which were deemed to offer expert individual scientific opinions concerning the impact of human emissions of "CO2" on climate change. To suggest that such numbers require polling "every scientist in the world" for accuracy is naive bu fortunately is not a requirement for the sake of accuracy which rely on statistical data instead.. A survey conducted by the University of Illinoise in 2009 and published to Earth and Environmental Sciences found that of 3146 Earth scientists, 97% of climate scientists and 90% of scientists from every other field of science agree with the scientific consensus and the IPCC that human activity is cause of the current climate change through greenhouse gas emissions and predominantly through the burning of CO2. This survey is consistent with other well-known (but non-peer reviewed) surveys or opinion polls (such as Pew and Gallup) which have reported a steady rise in agreement among individual scientists over the years with over 90-98% in agreement with the scientific consensus depending on the area of specialization. This is in stark contrast to public opinion polls, which consistently report a high unawareness of the achieved consensus on climate change and have consistently reported a decline in public opinion that a scientific consensus has been achieved. A World Bank report in 2008 found that 58% of the public still believes that a "scientific debate" still exists. In November, 2009, Rasmussen found that a majority of Americans (52%) "believe that there continues to be significant disagreement within the scientific community over global warming" and that "while many advocates of aggressive policy responses to global warming say a consensus exists, ... just 25% of adults think most scientists agree on the topic." Public sentiments on scientific certainty or a scientific consensus, in other words, are in disagreement with scientists themselves, who are at 90%-97% in agreement with the scientific consensus. And by "scientific consensus," we are not referring to opinion polls of individual scientists but rather to synthesis reports, scientific bodies of national or international standing, and surveys of opinion among climate scientists. Currently, with the exception of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, no scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion and the overwhelming majority have endorsed the IPCC's position. A 2004 study by Naomi Oreskes found that out of 928 papers listed in the ISI on the topic of climate change between 1993-2003, none were in disagreement with the scientific consensus. So not only is Zimmerman misunderstanding a question that was laid out straightforwardly by the interviewer concerning "numbers" but is taking this opportunity to misrepresent the facts by calling such surveys and studies which report on such "numbers" (whether peer-reviewed or non-peer reviewed)--as made-up "propaganda.:"

Interviewer, changing his position to agree with Zimmerman:

...There was always a dissenting percentage of scientists who had a "larger view"...

If by "larger views," the interviewer is referring to those fringe scientific theories which are hell-bent on blaming everything under (and beyond) the sun as the culprit of human-caused climate change with the sole exception of humans (the arguments held by less than 3% of all climate scientists)--one could argue that it is a "larger view" in terms of "spatial extent" or vacuity or by the sheer quantity or volume of imaginary or conceptual objects "running around" idiotically in the headspace of their scientific "minds"--

Unfortunately, that which is merely a "larger view" in terms of spatial extent or sheer quantity of imaginary or conceptual objects in the mindspace or psyche does not amount to an integral perception of "the whole" in "transparency" (diaphaneity). This is the ultimate downfall of Wilberian philosophy: it is spatially-oriented on mass, measure, and quantity of "multiple perspectives" at the exclusion of Time and the aperspectival whole..

Zimmerman:

of dissenting scientists who say this is complicated there's the sun,

The sun is found to exert less than .01% of the total radiative forcing on the Earth climate system.

which has existed since time immemorial

there's aerosols,

Aerosols refer not to greenhouse gases but to particulates such as smoke, dust, and CFCs which reflect the sunlight and exert a cooling effect on the climate. Therefore, aerosols refer to global cooling; not to global warming. Global cooling from aerosols has been surpassed since the mid-1970s by global warming from GHGs.

there's land use,

"Land use" could refer to any number of human activities that involve the use of "land" (including fossil fuel combustion, depletion of resources, land clearing, irrigation, the burning of forests, farming, industrialization, cities, mining, squatting, bombiing, or whatever) but unless the activity refers specifically to human activities involving the burning of fossil fuel and the emission CO2 and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere to raise the Earth's temperature, "land use" (in and of itself) does not appear to be an activity contributing to global warming. And last we checked, human activity does not result in tectonic shifts, land formation, or continental "drifts" which could otherwise result in a change of climate.

And the "land use" argument totally sidesteps and ignores the most critical and worrisome area of the planet to be concerned about which is not land, but rather the oceans. It is not land, but oceans which act as a global sink and cover over 70% of the Earth's total surface area. It is not lad, "land use" that climate is most vulnerable to or sensitive of but rather changes in the oceans that are most capable of inflicting devastating changes on the the Earth's climate system.. These changes in the ocean are now observed to be the direct consequence of human activity from climate change from vast areas of "dead zones" increasing, marine life extinctions and coral bleaching, ocean heating, ocean acidification, sea level rise, glacial melt and land ice melt (which are needed as "land ice" for drinking water but are instead, are contributing to sea level rise), sea ice melt (resulting in the loss of albedo and the replacement of thick, year-round sea ice with thin, seasonal ice that is no longer capable of reflecting back sunlight back into space year-round which results in heat from the sun being absorbed as heat by the ocean waters), and the numerous different feedback mechanisms that are triggered as a consequence of such changes such as those which are now measurable by changes in the ocean's salinity whereby increased water vapor in warmer regions near the equator, for instance, has resulted in saltier ocean water due to ocean evaporation into the atmosphere resulting in increased water vapors in the air which, in turn, act as a powerful feedback mechanisms in the form of greenhouse gases to amplify the effects of global warming to evaporate more ocean water which, in turn, act as a powerful feedback mechanisms in the form of greenhouse gases to amplify the effects of global warming to evaporate more ocean water and so on. In colder regions, the ocean waters are becoming less alkaline due to the recent influx and admixture of fresh melt water into the ocean from land ice melt and glacial melt and contributing to sea rise. And the ocean, which acts as a global sink for CO2, has begun to show signs of diminished capacity to absorb the excess CO2 to act as a global sink for humans: meaning that whatever CO2 cannot be absorbed and buffored by the ocean waters--must be expelled into the air and released back into the atmosphere. And unlike black carbon emissions or water vapor (which behind CO2 rank as third and second most abundant greenhouse gases, respectfully)--once released into the atmosphere, CO2 remains there for hundreds of years before it is cleared by the natural carbon cycle. In fact--all the CO2 that humans have ever released in to the atmosphere since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution is still with us in the atmosphere or is currently being stored in the ocean (unlike BC or black carbon emissions which only remain in the atmosphere for weeks). In short, should one truly be concerned about basic issues or basic human needs (such as fresh drinking water for quenching thirst and for irrigating crops for food for providing nourishment and preventing starvation), it would seem that rather than being so concerned with the current state of third world hunger which has existed since time immemorial or with raising the standard of living for those in third world countries (which does not appear to be a genuine offer of help to the poor by generous white Americans or Europeans but is merely is being argued out of convenience to forever distract us from the task of mitigation to avoid at all cost having to fund such a potentially costly task), such people would be far better served to maintain their current level of subsistence (however meager or harsh by first world industrialized nation standards) so as to permit richer nations to attend to the high cost of mitigation efforts to avert the most catastrophic effects of global climate change instead. By averting the most catastrophic effects of global climate change, we can thereby be of real assistance to those in poorer countries by preventing climate change to avert a massive influx of hundreds and millions of climate change refugees flooding into the country over the next several decades from poor countries closer to the equator (who will be hardest hit by the effects of climate change). Only then can we hope to be of assistance or value to the world's poor (myself, I fall under the poverty line too. Do you?) in order to finally attend to the long-awaited task of modernization and global economic justice for all: however, this will not be possible until second-tier planetery survival issues (e.g. global warming) and planetary scarcity issues (e.g. overpopulation, depletion of resources) are adequately met. Should these issues fail to be resolved or addressed by the end of the current century by the Earth's inhabitants, concerns much closer to home such as physical self-survival will be the overriding concern for most Americans to be among the 1 billion left on the planet as a result of catastrophic and irreversible climate change. What Zimmerman is proposing is back-assword, in other words; but I digress. In light of all of this one would seem to be worrying about changes in the ocean first rather than simply appearing to be looking for a nonhuman scapegoat to take the blame for human-caused climate change, such blaming the sun, land use, or the use of other bogus scientific argument discredited decades ago and eliminated by due scientific process.

there's nitrogen cycles,

Do you mean, "carbon cycles"?

"Nitrogen cycles"

Environmental impacts

Increased use of nitrogen fertilizers may lead to environmental changes, including surface and groundwater pollution and ocean dead zones.[citation needed]

Ammonia is highly toxic to fish and the water discharge level of ammonia from wastewater treatment plants must often be closely monitored. To prevent loss of fish, nitrification prior to discharge is often desirable. Land application can be an attractive alternative to the mechanical aeration needed for nitrification.

"Nitrogen cycles" appear to be environmental hazards but in and of themselves do not appear to contribute to climate change or global warming.

Why is it that climate change deniers reach for every possible argument to avoid blaming CO2 from human activity, the most obvious culprit?

there's a very famous climate scientist he describes the whole situation in which his colleagues formed a kind of tribal consciousness and became insulated and vested in their view began to try to interfere with the peer review process they tried to interfere with the journals Hulme says it's time to get rid of the IPCC even he who wrote a brilliant book why we disagree on climate change a totally integral view of climate change but let me discuss this lines being blurred science is supposed to be a development of hypothesis to explain a certain phenomena. And for science you have to have data that is available that you can check and the whole thing is carried out in public (supposedly) this is all in a realm ideally about establishing the facts from the scientific point of view on the other hand this is policy how we are to spend our money none of these things are self-evidently true different value options different ways of approaching the matter the sciencee has a role to play Roger Pileke Jr. wrote the Honest Broker he wrote where scientists go wrong is when they become stealth advocates where they show up at a committe meeting wearing a science hat and pushing a certain policy agenda that is not revealed up front his colleages formed a kind of tribla consciousness and became insulated and so vested in their view that they tried to interfere with the peer review process and with the journals and Hulme is saying time to get rid of the IPCC where the lines between science and policy get wrongly blended this issue about lines being blurred between science and policy: this is what climategate is about science is about the development of hypothoses to explain a certain phenomena and for science to work you have to have data that is publicly available and the whole thing is carried out in public supposedly this is all in a realm ideal..."

All of these accusations by Zimmerman appear to be based on accusations waged against the CRU scientists by climate change deniers in the CRU hacking incident in an effort to make their groundless accusations appear to be part of a "wider conspiracy" of scientific fraud; although I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Pielke or any other scientific dissenter cited by Zimmerman has made the same such groundless accusations against individual scientists, the scientific consensus, the IPCC, or against science itself. As it turns out, however, these CRU scientists have been cleared of any wrongdoing by independent investigative panels who have determined that their only faults amounted to saying unkind things in private emails against their scientific opponents or in their failure to respond to the deluge of requests for "data" and "information" demanded by climate change skeptics and deniers when 95% of this information was already freely available to them and open to the public. As for Hulme, I have not read the book but have read enough articles by him or about him to understand why a climate change denier such as Zimmerman would want to frame his argument around the logic of Hulme and follow in his footsteps: Zimmerman has mistaken Hulme's "post-normal" GREEN scientific relativity with "Integral":

(And for the record--this critique is by a climate change denier, Melanie Phillips, an orange rationalist. Somewhat absolutistic in her values, yet "to the point"):

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1469

Now in similar vein, ‘post-normal’ science deconstructs scientific empiricism and rationalism and detaches science from truth. In other words, where science fails to support an ideology, the absolute and overriding imperative of putting that ideology into practice means that science has to suspend its very essence as a truth-seeking activity and instead perpetrate lies. That is the inescapable implication of Hulme’s position. To support the bogus claim that we face the imminent collapse of civilisation from global warming, science itself has to be reconceptualised as an instrument of propaganda and justified by mendacious and obfuscatory post-modernist jargon. Hulme concludes:

Climate change is too important to be left to scientists – least of all the normal ones.

anhy one NOSanhy one NOS

So the true battleground has now been illuminated for us. The real fight is between scientists who believe in empirical observation and the truth, and ‘post-normal’ scientists who believe in ideology and lies. It’s a battle between Enlightenment values of rationality and those who wish to return us to a pre-rational era where thought was controlled and truth was a heresy. The stakes could not have been delineated more clearly.

"I just hope people look at the evidence of how the climate is changing in such a systematic way. I hope they make up their minds on the scientific evidence." (Stott) Amen to that.

And a final commentary on Hulme by an integarl commentator:

Well-meaning and sincere, this attempt to redefine the philosophical underpinnings of Science sounds to me more like an attempt to re-invent the wheel. Or perhaps to re-formulate Fire: as if the prior Fire was no longer sufficient, since not enough members of the public fully understood Combustion. "Warranted knowledge" is an exercise in futility: ultimately, any kind of Knowledge is open to doubt. Do I know the precise date of my birth? But what if the calendars were off? Will the sun rise in the morning? But what if one day something causes the earth to cease its revolutions? This kind of childish game can be played ad nauseam with literally any kind of "solid" data. Is 2+2 actually 4? But what, exactly, is 2? Isn't the precise value always something infinitesimally greater or lesser than the purported abstract value? Can any measurement truly be accurate? Can we speak of 2 degrees C? In translation, can any word in one language actually have a true equivalent? Isn't the existence of cultural constructs, connotations and suggestive semantic clusters ultimately proof that no language can ever be translated accurately? Should we even bother trying to communicate? How can some 200 nations ever hope to agree on anything? These kinds of reflections, while interesting as manifestations of the ambiguity of Certainty to thoughtful folk, do not ultimately help anyone get anywhere in life, within science or outside of it. How can anyone assert "doing science in 2010 is different from doing it in 1960 or even 1985?" Why? Because everything has to be voted on & cleared by groups external to the process & the discipline? Because school systems have failed to explain, most notably to Americans, how numbers operate or how human beings depend on oxygen, which is not infinitely renewable? The purpose of democratic processes is to ensure some social order, a semblance of harmonious coordination in administering the public trust, and a reasonable attempt at safeguarding justice. The realm of Knowledge has nothing to do with Democracy. You do not need to take a vote on the diagnosis, or explain to every last man Jack exactly why we need new types of engines, or less nail lacquer. If the price of nail lacquer doubles so that less of it might wind up in landfills, we do not need to create new institutes and encyclopaedias to satisfy the inquisitive young out there as to why there is less of their little luxury being produced (or "Why We Disagree on Climate Change"). Only supremely learned & well-mannered people such as the authors of this appeal to scientists to be "nicer" to those who revile or rebuke them could actually imagine brutes can be reasoned with. Had they lived more amongst these brutes, as some of us have, they would not be wasting their breaths on trying to win their sympathies.

And finally, "tribal consciousness" sounds like a nifty buzzword but, at any rate, appears to be "a fact of life: birds flock, fish school, people tribe," according to Ken Wilber and Dan Logan in The Art of Tribal Leadership. In light of all these empty and groundless accusations, a meaningless term to apply to any group of professionals in particular should all of them be tribal. Never mind all of that, journalism or whatever I-integral is has apparently decided; context and "balance" are only important GREEM things to consider when reactionaries are the ones accused of doing something wrong. If thoughtful people who dare to suggest that there is actually a problem which needs a proactive solution are "exposed" as being less than 100% consistent and perfect, however, let's break out the "-gate" suffix and make a scandal of it. Congratulations.

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Aspie?

Posted May 21st, 2010 by Jennifer Grove

I checked over your profile a bit. This must be one of your fields of expertise, yes?

I see you are very skilled at handling Objects mentally. And I see that you are even able to turn the Subject into an Object. I have two Aspie friends who can also do that.

Can you do a quality, authentic 3-2-1 on those who you think are wrong?

I'm not asking this to embarrass you. I'm attempting to remedy a situation which you may or may not even see. I'm trying to help.

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IS IT A APiE? Aspie s?AsS Pies? A Spies?A Pretty Nurse?OK iGive up. Sho who AM...

Posted May 23rd, 2010 by barbi hammond in response to Aspie?

-That Thing TerDer mer, the der OneDer Wonder Comer searer payser fer Mer surucption whater u err spambot er some thing that yer oder?(j/kLO)LaHar-

IS IT A APiE? Apes I? Aspies? AsS Pies?, A Spies?A Pretty Nurse?A GorilLAZ, OK iGive up.

Sho "Who" AM I-I?

OR what ISIT-it?iTiT? Porly why you thhink t ha i loo like a pretty nerser.

So who, or what, are YOU-ther? A Chicconer Youther, (Silencer) tracker? OR Tracker GenXer Her InterDer1derGroover ? the Brers BeeGers, Shadower Dancer?

Sond to mes like Jenetifitter Grow Very Human is oh is suggesting that APiE/gorillaZ are jenetically unfitter comparied to human beings maybe need to do "shadow work" or toy to do some "shadow dancing" in their "mind" to a bunch of different "personal perspective" dancers sound (whiter screener keepers flasher ing in front of mer facer) in oder to become less apie-like and mo homunistic because they are mindless autistics or robotigorillic "it-objects" in outer space as opposed to their "inner I-I space". This excludes the autisstics, the aspies, the robotics, and devices such as the aoscillating toilet flushing device and my digital camera as if to suggest that they are unconscious automatonss because theiy are nothing but it-objects that can only meansure scientifically becau they are devices maybe ha abunch of ghosts in their machine parts ai "shadows" lurking in their mechanistic componentws . That is horrible and hte universe is using her as an iexamplo we shall post speparately so that all can "see" withiout clicking onto "here"

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The situation as I see it

Posted May 24th, 2010 by Richard Layman in response to Aspie?

From reading many of Barbie's posts referencing Aspergers (which I know very little about) I think she is well aware of her "situation" over all (but I have wondered, Barbie, how aware are you of your apparent transitions, reflected in the various styles and organization of your writing, as such changes occur?).

I also have an atypical neurology, perhaps somewhat the opposite of Barbie's. If a typical person's brain is like a 250hp ford my brain is like a vintage 40hp VW. I can go places and see things the ford or even a Jeep 4x4 cant but only very very slowly and I may have to make multiple trips to match their single load... I don't know about Barbie but I wouldn't trade places with anyone.

Barbie seems more like a maserati with intermittent fuel and handling problems. When everything is synchronized she blows the doors off anybody else I've read on this forum, especially on climate change.

Cognitive evolution (or lack of it) vs the progressive development of a baseline of culturally transmitted competence, is another matter....I argue that nobody here, including Barbi, gets it right.

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Better to Be in Truth when directions make no sense

Posted May 25th, 2010 by barbi hammond in response to The situation as I see it

-For a concrete example rather than merely an 'abstract' descriptionas below, please click IT and listen to the

Hello Richard,

Left-right confusion is the difficulty some people have in distinguishing the difference between the directions left and right. According to research by John R. Clarke (Drexel University) it afflicts about 15% of the population.[citation needed] These people can usually normally perform daily activities such as driving according to signs and navigating according to a map, but will often take a wrong turn when told to turn left or right and may have difficulties performing actions that require precise understanding of directional commands, such as ballroom dancing.[1][2][3][4]

Dyslexia is one of several conditions that affect a person's ability to quickly and easily consciously realize the difference.[citation needed]

[edit] See also

I never claimed to 'get it' r ight; only to be in truth. Sometimes truth' requires 'getting it wrong' to use IR as an example for the concretion of Time should the Universe require a more concrete rather than merely abstract or SPATIAL example of w hat it means to be "true." Better to be in truth when DIRECTIONS make no sense "common sense" is not so 'common' any way couldn't 'figure it out' uh-uh whether IT is I-I or not I-I, "existent" or "nonexistent," alive o r dead, "to get (possess, have)" or "to Be" (identitoy), or wheather IT is 'left, right-O, up, down, 'inn,' 'out,' good y, bad, neutral, erroneous, fictitions, correct-Oman-GO!MondoBurger andor wrong-Oburger. At any rate, all of those things with the exception of good y bad and DEADorALIVE are in reference to existential questions of "being" vs. "non-being" due to a spatial orientation or to having or possession of location/position/alignment in space allof which(existential included) with the exception of the exceptions noted above refer to mass, measure, quantity in space. In which casd, those descriptors exclude Time as a quality and hence are merely partial. Better to be in truth than to merely strive toward "getting it right" (as opposed to getting it "left" or "wrong") in space.

-For concretion of Time in the form of "a-Ha! ha ha hi ha! j a'm So)Me) Full of 'Bad ID y (as(s,' and Hear is a 'Good One '!" ("I'm so full of some Bad Ideas, and hear's a 'Good won'") presentiated to muse as a concrete "example" of four-dimensional "verition" (that is, capacity to ware and make animpartation of truth by becmoning transparent to the whole of Time(space inclided) based not only on theoretic knowledge but on Ones own personal life/death experiendces to verition truth from the four-dimensional Time of whole by making perceptible the past, present, and future as "Ever-Present" rather than to offer you mere concepts or perspectives abstracted three-dimensin olally from the whole (Time_) into space and then collapsed and subjectracked from IT-it-is a Musical!(and hence collapsed and parsed from originary Time of Present of whole and access to all of Time-IT-Itinto "read-only" concepts and words in I-I space of intersubjectives and t hell me if you think it is a good or a bad one or some wright or a werong idears instead-

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Getting it right

Posted May 25th, 2010 by Richard Layman in response to Better to Be in Truth when directions make no sense

I listened to the audios "I'M SO FULLLuV iDears, and hear's SOME BAD IDEAS" but they didn't mean much to me -- another cognitive deficit of mine, I can't process words with music well, I think it just overloads my buffers. I started tapering off listening to music about 10 years ago, down to zero now. I even have trouble with accents now (didn't used to).

"Getting it right" is just an expression I use a lot without thinking about how it makes any sense on its face. When I think about it, it's a pretty weak expression. Getting it "white" might make more sense on its face but could be definitely be offensive.

The opposite, "getting it wrong" makes more sense because the word "wrong" is less ambiguous.

Truth: I lean towards probability. Doesn't always serve the need, though. I think I tend to avoid making statements about someone telling the "truth" or not. Its just such a loaded word. Of course I now realize that "right" can be a loaded word, too. (I didn't know that gun was loaded)

I am very interested in the subject of information quality. Have you given that much thought?

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"Information quality" refers to values of quantitym: Part 2 of 4 not...

Posted May 25th, 2010 by barbi hammond in response to Getting it right

-I've re-aranged (re-"arranged") the words in an effort to make them more acceptable and 'perceple' ("perceptible") to the standards of conventional language or data, "information quality") and divided this post into "parsparts" for organization ot make it user-friendly for the reader-

(The "ranged" and the "perceple" typographical errors inserted acausally by "the Itself" via magical 'doing without knowing' andl 'meaningful accidnet" so as to bring our "net" attention to a deficient structure of consciousness, the mental-rational structure (orange and gree), whosse net value system of quantity, mass, measure, abstraction, and vacuity in space referring exclusively to the abstract world of concepts or numeric values and representations (e.g., "likeness, simile" to quality via representation but not the "real thing") are confused with and mistaken for values of quality. It is only the "concrete"--never the "abstract"--which can be made "concrete" and thereby integrated into the whole: never the "abstract." This important insight of Gebser concerning "the concrete" and concretion of the spiritual (Time) is to distinguish that which is brought to concretion by becoming transparent to the whole from that what is merely "abstract" or conceptual. This is echoed in the sentiment or foreboding, "What is important is invosible to the eye" by the fox in anticipation of and in agreement with Gebser's important insighg and conctribution to integral theory some 60 years prior to the time of my introduction to it and to offer further veracity into the meaning of the "concrete" by first differentiating "what is concrete" that from that which is merely "abstract" and perceptible to the eye of logical mind of spatially-confined rational adults in three-dimensional space who assess and dismiss our presentiations as immature and later to distinguish "what is visibly concrete in transparency" from that which is merely "given" matter-of-factly and simplistically to concrete-literal "minds" or imaginations of small children and those on the autistic spectrum thisorderis also necessary to distinguish "concretion of Time" via access to all of Time to perceive what is true via transparency from what is merely understood or "grasped" (white flash) theoretically in integral theory as a concrete-literal perception of reality based "matter-of-factly" and uncritically whether by pre-modernists, modernists, postmodernists, or ultra-postmodernist or ultra-modernist rationalist adults concerning the "myth of the given" to the extent that they are capable of distinguishing what is transparently visible and true and made perceptible via acess to the whole of Time, hence, hence via accessibility to the whole--from mere observations and truth-claims or denialists of truth based on a three-dimensional immersion within spatial u vacuities and numeric quantities of space who confuse values of quantity (e.g., "data") with values of quality and vacuity with the plenitude of the whole. To reiterate: quality and plenitude are aspects that are unique to Time and the plenitude of the whole (which is not in reference to "space," which by contrast is a vacuity and a quantity). And while we we cannot overemphasize the importance and necessity of "information quality" and demand that it be of the highest "quality" with regard to accuracy in reporting and measurement of things or cunceptual objects for I-I ego-subjedcts in space based on numberic rank or percentages or concensus in the sciences, in medicine, and on the science of global warming, "information quality" is a value that refers to values of "net" quantity in space or to rank perceptile in precision of spatial measure so are in reference to "data"--that is, to values of quality: which are distinct from values of quality in that quantitative values refer exclusively to quantities in space and are therefore amenable to measurement whereas values of quality are incapable of immeasurable and can only be brought to perceptibility to be integrated by becoming transparent to the whole, that is--to Time. Hence, the musicla selections with poetry and riddles (which refer to aesthetic values of quality via access to all of Time) to integralate those observations previously only capable of assertion via "belief" of religion or "truth-claims" or "percentages" in terms ofspatial quantity and precision to ware the truth that our veracity on issues of climate change are being brought to us repeatedly by the Universe via access to all of Time which must use different "methodologies" of rational science based purely on spatce and find that those who are stuck in rational and refuse to listen to our music selections or to tolerate the trnasparenby made possible by aucasal acausal insertions of typographical or grammatic errors or use of unconfentional lannguage of my posts to only read words instead of listening to the music or following our "stories" are stuck to three-dimensional space and will probably never become transparent to the whole due to their hardening of the arteries to the soul and to spirit and hence, confinement to space of mentality and thinking. Those who have broken forth into the newest mutation of four-dimensional consciousness therefore are not only far more "advance:"e e=informed by "information" or "knowledge" than the typical college0educated and scientifically-informed adult but is also being "informed" via access to all of Time by bringing past, present, and future to "Ever-Present" and thereby have the capacity to pre-sage future events to acuasally intervene to assist destiny during our personal time of soul death or "sould to the deveil" state of non=soul and hence, state of non-life or death and sense of non-movement in on the wheel of life which is a moevent that is in reference to not "forward motion" in three-dimensional sphace but to the life-death-life neverending cycle of life or to the two-dimensional psyche or soul and hence a motion that derives its energy and polaricity in movement from its opolar opposite without which life is sucked of all energy for life or movement and results in death but cannot remain this state forever so are trying to jumpstart life because we are trying to SOS bu have no desire to be among humans at current time as well as to change the current course of events currently being "set" uncritically by the scientifically-uninformed masses by default which we can change since the newest consciousness is trongser and more powerful than mental-rational. Furthermore, these arational apprehensions--both scientific and nonscientific--are bing brought to us from everywhere and all of time from all categories of subjects or objects including Rcihard Laymany and Jennifer Groovary but especially from musical selections and lyrics are not being by "our doing" or "choosing" but come anyway sp are assumed to be "coming at us" like this "for a reason" and they ujust happen to be are in agreement with those sicentific measurements in abstract quantitative values of quality which refer to "range" (e.g. spatial extent or breadth) and limited and collapsed perceptibility (as indicated by "perceple" hence an be seen as a statement on the partiality and perspectival fisxiity of rational thinking but can totally relate to /yet i understand fully about the thing about not understanding song lyrics so I have transcribed the lyrics to ware transparently how "ideas" of an integral-aperspectival kind are coming at me "from every direction" (in a manner of speaking) and even from you (never reallly listened to the before today so had to listen TO them myself to the #2 song but if you listen to #1, it atarts off with a pee=wee her man laughting, "a-HAhAHAHA'M so FULLof iDears, and Hear's a "GOOD ONE" by Stereo la Boty me and Internatioanal Colouring Contest, piggy-backed as a name of "Some BAD IDs" by ADULT. reveals "accidentally" without my conscious awareness beforehand that I was "telling the same story twice tiday" and piggy-backing some "names" or identifications or values perceived three0dimensionally as dualistically-opposing and logiaclly0inconsistent as "nonsense" or "wrong" due to noticing that the overall message appears to be stated in he et ambivalence and ambiguity in meaning in a ligically-inconsistent manner of alogicality sung both singularly and in plural simultaneously by pee-wee childboy as she an ADULT. (woman w/PEIRIOD) as he about some "BAD ID as, some "GOOD ONE" when perceived transparently and arationally can be seen as a statement on the partiality and perspectival fisxiity of rational thinking but can totally relate to not being able to "hear" or understand rlyrics (I just get into the music generally turn tune out lyrics of a song) so typed them out (the references to "accidents" in song #2no mere happenstance that you happened to notice the "accidental" reply to your comment on Descartes and your Anon., Anon. statements at the end although the song #2 is nnot "directed at you" or in reference to you personalluy i have someboty else i n mind bu they apparently had some body ehlse in mind in turn but whate ver i die so am beyond concern ofcare what epople or somboytthink about itme; just doing what i think i am sopposed to be doing to manifest the arational and concretion o fthe spiritual which cannot occur when one is overconcerned about rationality and conventional thinking and egoic priode to dictate my of using others bad IDs irrespective of they not directed care at me personallly; for thi s sis "ultimately" not "about me" but for the niverse whichis using me and not vice-versa. To be effectual, it requires the frequent embarrasing myself on the net all the time but don't NOS anhyones anywya to be concerned about tah!that

Song#1:

HAHAHAHAHA! I'm so full of ideas- and here's a good one!
into out of space wee lucia pa mulan
the moon is the place where there's space for lugia
in two out of space with lucia pa lu La
the moon is the place where there's place for lucia
bu we for are trong tokey stance
she'd been there with friends
they two pool od instruments and
recorded on the moon
gathered variety of sound
from where the air is different

Ba da da da da da da da bada da dada padaada..
i'm so full of ideas
and here is a good one
lucia has a dream
a dream that comes in colour of
international colouring
for your entry she's waiting
into out-of-space with lucia pamula
the moon is the place where there's space for lucia
into out-of-space with lugeia la luna, the moon
ease the place where there's space for lucia

BA da da ba da pa da da

Bada da pada pa pada da

Bada da papa dada da, tce..

Song#2:

Addictions are in nonsense seems to win
the yuck can get so tense when dire RECTions make no sense
common sense is then in not so common any wake

ccoulden't "figure it out" right then don't SPEAK an other ooh=aa-hah

It's just a ringing of tja
nyo way! telling the same story twice tah die ahh

by being "so nice"

jsut this once shew knoew whats what. it be the first time

you giving me a bad idea

who are you giving me? you really giving me who are you giving mey? some bad ideas

Some bad ideas
some bad ideas
some bad ideas
Some bad ideas

who are you giving meh? you really giving me who are you giving meh? you really giving me some bad ideas

uhh like can 2 the same-ahh piggy-BACK of a name-ahh reach anon areachin inn it's just too easty to be so uhh ACCIDENT prone-uhh shoulda figure it out "right" then, yo way! Telling the same story twice to die-ow bow being "so nice"

jsut this once wising that once would a been the first time you giving me a bad ID ah

who are you giving me ?
youy really giving me
wjpoo are you giving me ?

some bad ID ahs
some bad ideas
some bad ideas
sum bad ID--eaah

Who are you giving me ?
ya really giving me
who are you giving may?
some bad ID I's

Woo ho. who whoooo
a ha ha haaaaaa who
who ho hoooooooooh ooh
a-aah hah ahaaaaaaaaa

You gave me ideas bad IDs ideas I never had before ihnever had bad IDs I never had bad IDs like this and you know what it's like to have BAD i d s jusst BAD ideas before it's just possibly the worst IDi never had before anon anon

Part 2 of 4

Part 2. Soy what that su t(hat damn white screen keeps on flahsing in front of ne) suggest to me is that what initially is "given" to the sensibilities "matter-of-factly" three-dimensionally or spatially to "post-postmoder n I-I integralists" (flashing "white" screen keeps flashing in front of my facd) is that the two different songs "represent" two incompatible or conflicting value "systems" "held" by two different "persponal perspectives" sung in second-perspon "we" language" pm tje on Lower Left quadrant within a four-quadrant numberic system but not four-dimensionally and therefore in second-person "I-thou" language of "we" bu t "not" to "eacah other" in an intersubjective space of "we" but only as "I's" monologically to their respective passive audience of listeners who "look" or "observe" diagnistically at the babbling ideot bu do not "talk back" to that ideot thing and hence, set by a set numeric quantity of "two" different ego self-identities and thereby uncritically assessing and assuming the "myth of the given" that "About Me" (flashed white in front of my face) is MERELY a "perspective" that is categorically distinct from from the "perspective" of "Who I'd Like To Meet," since what is "given" three-dimensionally to the post-postmodernist are tow "different" perspectives via song sound and blox "look" of it in the form of two categorically distinct and separate entities or entries in the form of two competing musical muses or contestants singing in ("I-thou") second person language of singer to the listener to "hearken" in a competition called the "International Colouring contest" to see whcih ONE part of the won whole of them "won" and defeated the "other" since what is "given" on appearance are two opposing "value systems" or "stages of development" expressing two "opposing" idea themes one "good," and others "bad" and that theit is a "myth of the given" ( not 'I-I post-postmodernists,' who are BEYOND 'the myth of the given") when in fact I-I believes in "the myth of the given" by assessing them three-dimensionally as two seeparated ego thinking "subject)s( that the two different songs or one song "represents" (one audible and plays autimatically upon clicking link and one mutted in silence, and must be "clicked on" in order to "hear" but ontel then, only given "imageistically"(as defined by the phrymal word, Me:Mu:Ma:Mouth of mythic ambivalence with both Indo-European and Sanskrit roots referring ambivalently to both muted mouth of inner contemplation (visionary myth) and open mouth of outward utterance (spoken myth) prior to the negation of the mouth by the eye of mindspace which perceives the term "mouthing off" or "shut yo dam mouth/face"perjoritavely) are given to the three-dimensional mind as a duality in the form of two opposiing "perspectives" rather than as a ONe On One synairetic four-dimensional whole magically-attuned to one-dimensional "Musical" "rprodocution" and hence presentiated audiallly in the genre of Moon Room Gas Unit Chamber0Clash GrandmasterFlash Glo Go! Electr0cutes BAbalamB iaMatra Hari Cider Hare Kiri Shadow Tiny dancer show or circusOn the Kitchen FloorAmbia=0nZappaPow! Bang! Yer Deadatic Frankly u audactidata data dada data Pamatronics Groovary Mod lay 008 meant 007 themes in the three-dimensional musical motifulla sinbads for virtuoso Good ones of a two-dimensional mythical polarity of mythic dreamtime and visions and ADULT.-like conceptions or "ideas" and hence, the der won der wha the3(white falshing before my eyes)er dimensional thinking mind of I-I will not perceive the two different songs as a two-dimensional temporicity in the cycle of life and death sharing polar-complimentary valudes (not two different "value systems": which are quantitative and "systematic" or "meta-systematic") with polar-opposite electrical "charges" (as in a polarity: not duality) and hence exist as a counterpole to the soul (white light is flashing) one as the moon lucia/lucifer about to go by by die yay for me and thderiving its but without which the psyche only exust partially as a cut-off portion of a being with a soul, but with no lofe (since the "soul" refers to both life:death nand not mearly to "life" so it is possible to have a soul, but "no lofe"). However, accordiibn to Wilberian theory, the two different songs are "two different perspectives sung in second-person language" thereby revealing both a human subject bias and perspectival bias that assumes that the spatial perspective held by three-dimensionality is held by every stage or structure accordingto degree of "personhood" in three-dimensinal language by referring to them as "two different 'perspectives'" that are dual oppositionalsongs that reflect antagonistic or logically-incompaticble value systems of "good vs. bad ideas" in a "contest" or a "dual" or fight of either/or but not "both" so cannot possibly be "telling the same story twice today ahh by 'being so NICE'" if one idea is a "good one" and the other are "some bad ideas" yet which, if sugn and hearkened aperspectivally by a "snigle entity" (g.e., by a hermaphroditc deithy, for examplo), is capable of perception transparently that it is "Telling the Same Story Twice To Die--ow! Bow "Being So 'NICE'" is beyond the eitgquette of humans who do not talk back to them or listen to their songs to be concerned with being "nice" to humans in a "space" of intersubjectively why we sarcastically saying "being so 'NIC'e" and not really "meaning it" (jest "saying that") does not care if Ken Wilber thinks that it is "sarcastic" or "ironic" to homosapapiens in space. Consequently, "Telling the same story twice today" is ultimately capable of full waring only aperspectiveally by Ones who is male-female and adult-child and singular-plural polar-complimentary value of quality and quantity within a two-dimesnional hermaphroditic deity belonging to a four-dimensional aperspectival androgyhy whole of Universe Time(space inlcuded) which is capable f aperpspectivally searing beiying good-bad values of quality and right-wrong values of quantity yet ackowledgees them as necessary distinctions to make two-dimensionally and three-dimensionally, accordiongly andor respectively, whcih have limited value but are ultimtely meaningless descriptors to apply to the aperspectival whole yet make for integrating systatic elements in a song when utilized appropriately and not partially-preferential to one ro the other three-dimensionally whatever that is worththat are making the common error of "myth of the given" fallacy that they are two incompatible truth-claims resulting in a logical fallacy and will conclude that only "one" of them must be "right" but the "other one(s)" isare "wrong" to hear or tolerate. so for carity, since no ones seem to "get it", "I'm So Full of GOOD ID ears, and Hear is ar Some BAD Ones" MEANS that it is to muse to hearken to the sound of the music and the listen to the stories to hear we telling the same story twice to day life bow being so NICER" and by doing so wee avoid the perspectival fixity and one-sided partiality of perspectival or musliperspectival thinking

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I think I can, I think I can...

Posted May 29th, 2010 by Richard Layman in response to "Information quality" refers to values of quantitym:...

Barbie, I'm sorry to take so long answering your post. Because of my neurolinguistic deficit (no reference to "NLP" theory intended--no one can expect to misappropriate a common term like neurolinguistic, or love or reality, for their own proprietary use but it is very commonly done I think for reasons of a character disorder in which a person is --I'm getting the word "attracted" and "tempted" but these are only blocking the word I am really trying to retrieve--this is an example of my neurolinguistic deficit in action--anyway, attracted to committing the misappropriation as a way of getting attention by taking something that doesn't belong to one) I am having to reread your post many times and rest and assimilate in between readings. This neurolinguistic deficit that forced me to choose the word "attracted" instead of the one I wanted and still can't recall is also making me slow to respond to your post, but I do not make the interpretation that the universe wants me to choose the word "attracted" or to reread your post many times but that my cognitive neurolinguistic deficit is the proximal cause of those facts. Regardless, I am anything but a pedantic person. I am imaginative and intuitive but instead of rendering my imagination in its raw form I like to process it through my critical thinking and organizing department as well--not being rational instead of imaginative/creative but in addition to--why? I guess because that is just my chosen style of organization and expression. I don't think I am loosing or repressing anything--everything is still accessible in memory and "in my bones" and my gut including the raw intuitive and imaginative experiences that might make good poems or impressionistic drawings that I don't have the time and energy to do now, although I once did. I do not care about creating works of art any more but I still care about exchanging thoughts with others. When the subject is art or creativity or non-rational ways of knowing, etc. I am comfortable with that epistemologically but more challenged due to my cognitive deficits which favor narrow-band linear expression over wide-band high resolution audio and graphics whether figuratively in the case of poetic/artistic mental images or literally in the case of multimedia content. It is actually easier for me to read text than to watch a video of the same talk.

Now it has come to me that I wanted to say "find it irresistible" (instead of being "attracted") to misappropriate a common, publicly owned word or phrase in order to provoke some attention by grabbing something out of another's hand. I think that is a narcissistic impulse. Now I don't think the universe withheld the word irresistible from me nor sent me the word "attracted". It was more likely the much more proximal cause of my neurolinguistic deficit. I put no stock in typos, either, as messages either from the universe or from my own mind. Even if they have meanings in hindsight or even if I discovered they had connections with other interesting events I would still consider them accidents even if in hindsight they were totally suitable for framing or bronzing.

More to come if you are still interested.....

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Did Wilber just double down on Descartes?

Posted May 22nd, 2010 by Richard Layman

"This is the ultimate downfall of Wilberian philosophy: it is spatially-oriented on mass, measure, and quantity of "multiple perspectives" at the exclusion of Time and the aperspectival whole.."

If we speak of Cartesian dualism may we not also speak of Wilberian quadism? What quadrant is the eros or creative spirit located in?

Time is so important, too, in dynamic phenomena.

You are right on with your critique of Zimmerman and the interviewer.

Oh Dear Lord, save me from my basic needs!

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Four Quadrants divides space into 4 themes and excludes Time

Posted May 23rd, 2010 by barbi hammond in response to Did Wilber just double down on Descartes?

O Srorry: imeant to comment back to my self only to my main post but since i accidentally presssed that button to Richard Layman commentary i will post reponsd me to here:

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i think that that endcode d? es sage, "4F8au7gWU8," is a pass word from the universe or somethihg bedcau we do not talk to/hear from any humans except wneh they commentary back to me on my blog so mjst rely on codes sen t to me by the universe. This is necessary becau we have tried to friends with humans but suck at thme so cannot use direct modes of communication with humona who talk to each other but do not care to toalk to non-humans but at any rate that is not permitted of mewe lest merwe become like the humans with onlyl 3D capabilities of normies bu the Earth has alreawdy "been there, done 'THAT'" (3D )

such that the structure has now outlived its utility or capacity to offer assistance to Earth and we were not sent here to be assisted by humans as if "i need help" she think she ha !can help "me" who is beyond hope bu is not sent to Earth b2b on the moon 4ever like 2D imaginary simple folk do in their years of yearning in their simplo hearts with eyes closed to "space" but mostly hearkening to the sound of devitalized magic or to spoken myth so no longer capable of guiding via inner contemplation of visionary myth with eyes closed, mouth shut in n inner contemplation nor 2b like tlaksee in 3D but to do something different and new or rather 4me2B or do somehting "different" and see little purpose for the universe to just stick me here with wo no "p[urpuse"
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(g:oldWAIT?? WEIGHT THA SUCKS AND THE COMPUTER OR UNIVERSED TURNED OFF THE BOLD FONT I N THE MIDDLE OF TYPING OJ UT the code so dont know whether that means if it is right ir it is wrong. Sounds rather ambiguous to me as to if say that if fate is incomplete, to wait for its comoletetion. Could be meaningless or a warning sign for me to go to bed sinc e my mother told me to go to bed just nowon the computer i mean the room where the bed is at. Maybe means, my best guess, is that "au" is the element of "gold" i think and that "au" is also an acronym for "Astronomical Unit" but that the number 7 is symbolic of "incomplietion" or incomplieand007 and abuncha other thingsand the number 8 is the numeric sybmolci of "completion of fate" or mission.l (ile., there are typically 8 decades in a human life span before its completion) But what i came back to sage y respond back to commentary of Richard which achtually fits in wiell with this theme is that by perceiving the whole in transparency, we gather that i and also humans instead of looking "up" or "out" to "space" or "across" to each other all of the times for mutual ademeriation and respect for different perspectives of directions or guidance need perhaps to close their eyes and bow their heads down low in prayer to the (screen is flashing ocean blue) mother Earrth below, who is SATAN instead of trashing it allah the dimes with sun-god worshipking of "I" elevation or "Altitude" up therer in upper "space" of "headspace" when their bodies are sunken underwater. or maybe suncken underground prolly means that i should go to bed and then go back and do my exercise like i was (screen is fhalshing ocean blue again) supposed to do and like i did yesterday which was priactice my pajoratee majorette routine, "Let's Gr00vy" bu not the screen has stopped flashing so not sure hwathat that means.

But anywayz, Richard has an important pooint to consider (not sure why di not get quoted in "plain font" as the last sentence of his was in planefont) in that the "All Quadrant" system divides the whole of reality spacey inthe 2 four different quadrants of spatiality divided by "Self" vs. "Other" dualities horizontally on the map and then divides reality into "Singular" vs. "Pluralistic" vertically and hence, is pureluy a spatial approach that perceives reality as merely dualities of selves or self vs. "non-selfves" horizontally and quantitatively vertically between "one" on top and "many" on the bottom "down there, har har" bu excludes an element of reality concerning quality. Time which is a quality and manifestst in many different forms and is not a quantity of space except in #D3 spatialized time of quantity and cannot be "mapped" into a three-dimensional categorical system or map or timeline neither esxcept historically in sequential time or via biological evolutionary development at the exclusion of the spiritual

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Posted May 23rd, 2010 by barbi hammond

A Universal Crisis. Exhibit 0, "B" for ByB to tackle: Climate Change

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How is it that a preveiouly "ocean blue" photograhy of my batherojoom taken by jmoi wile sitting on the comode to take a picuture of my byznteum bronze batherroom bwith ish warmish in physical tone with no coolttoumes at all turn out not only "ocan blue," but is now ocan blue with a be4 gray boxy ovwer the subject matter ob the objekerkysubject:object matter?

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Nor is Exhibit - to be confused with "Exchibit type-A" forms of personality types that look down on autistics as somehow incapable of being integral due to the relative lack of ability of autistics to relate to humans to emapathalogize in their partiality in thinking that "perspective" means "putting yourself in someone else's shoes.' That is the definition that Ken Wilber taoght me many ages ago prior to my introduction of Jean Gebser who does not define "perspective" as merely the ability to "stand in someone else's shoes" to seee and "empathize" from "their" "personal" perspectives but-not-only-but-also (and more fundamentally), "perspective" is the capacity to stand in opposition to space (that is, to stand in opposition to "outer space") as a thinking ego-subject in "inner space" of mind in order to meansure, observe, and possess it rationally or pluralistically in three-dimensinoal space. What Wilber defines as "the intersubjective space of We" is actually not a "perspective" but is a previous mode of realization called two-dimensional unperspectival due to their lack of awareness of three-dimensinoality (e.g., "depth space" or "extent" in terms of mass, measure, or quantity). Whereas two-dimensional unperspectival consciousness knows time, it does not know "space" and cannot "objectify" and hence, is "unperspectival" wheeras the three-dimensional orange and green consciousness knows "space" but only knows one form of time: quantified and sequential time and hence is perspectivally-oriented. As time is essentially a quality and possesses qualities that are distinct from space, to regard it as a "quantity" is to falsify time into space. This is why a non-integrated consciousness cannot perceive the whole to impart to you the truth: s/he only has access to what is measurable or observable in physical or conceptual space or other wise has access to conventional groutp-thought of mythic two-dimensional menmbership or to one-dimensional ofempathy of other humans to acquire a "theory of mind." To merely "integralate" the previous forms of consciousness from the perspective or "multi-perspective" of mindspace is to not be integral--but to be merely attempting synthesis or a combination of broken-off "parts" and trying to amasss a "bunch of parts" (be they "perspectives" or whatever) to create a "whole." The duality created by a personal Self however locks one to space and out of Time and locates the person in space and cuts the individual off of the Itself of the Universal consciousness: which is wholeness via access to all of Time. Only when one has grown completely sick, hopleless, weary, pathetic, and bored of defending or developing the personal "Self" and has nothing more to "live for" in terms of what "life" has to offer whether in terms of peopoll, self, or "things" is it possible to turn from the fiction of personal Self-development of i-Integral philosophy (whether as an individual ego-self or as a part of a "group-identity) to become transparent to the whole of "the Itself" which is beyond self, Self, Absolute Ego or "Radical Dualism" (all three dimensional) and is neither bound to subject(s) (Green/Orange) nor to object*s(Orange/Green) in three dimenisional $pace. And these are precisely the reasons why the Universe had intentionally appointed a robotic autistic to "school" all these personal fulloshits in I-Self integral theory who think that reading a book means that they are integral but appear to be no different from non-integrals and cannot even differentiate legitimate science from scientific faraud and also do not appear to have the courange and courage and audacity to deviate from the "path" of "Altitude" or "conventional tribal consciousness of i-Integral" such that the adea of attempting to do something "Green" sudhc as saving the planet or solving the climate change becomes politicized by those by the integral wanna-bees striving for personal self-development at the exclusion of the whole because they want to "be" something that they are not (integral); but as a consequence of their partiality, must di-s..sect things in to many different categorize and definitions to sidentify with what they think "it jeameans" to be "integral" which evidently means for many to merely dis-identify from the "highest" made-up cateorgory or stage (green) but as a consequence must constantly defend their todo agenda for a sense of identity and Self by claiming to be "higher" or "better" than green when green is essentially little different from orange in that both green and orange are three-dimensional and are hence, self-and object oriented in space at the exclusion of time: the former ones toward the collective in empathetic space and upon equality (green); the latter or other one toward the individual and climbing the ladder of personal success and personal superiority (orange) (red underlines to misspelled words have all disappeared just now all by the Itself). However, to be "integral" one must not only have a grasp of space and of the people and things that are "in it" but must also be aware of Time in all of its manifestations and forms. Only then does one have access to truth to impart it without regurgitating stuff that is merely collected, synthesized, and fabricated by 3D space of historical sequential past to future orientation at the exclusion of the whole by standing in opposition to "it-objects" in space to feel tha the subject is "better" than non-subjects in space by "having," feeling, or by "acquiring, patenting, owning" "more persponal perspectives than autistics orbotics" which they asssume are mere3ly mindless automatons, that is, "it-opbjects" running around idiotically in space. congrats.) as an individual rather than as be-longing to a group for a sense of personal value meaning for a sense of identity and security. Without a fully-formed individual ego-self, identity and self-security is defined by a mythic membership society which gives the person a sense to not "have" or "possess" (which is the business of three-dimensional male-oriented partrarchial leader of the "tribe") or merely "to be-long" (which is the traditionally more the domain of female accordion to modernistic conceptions but is actually a need that is neither predominantly male nor female but is shared universally so is essentially ambiguous and ambivalent and a manifestation of two-dimensional consciousness which has its roots in mythical female mother goddess and inclusion to conventional society which in turn dictates and defines the individual's "course of action" in life which is not for the sake of being to "bedo" (that is orange and green "business" which is action-oriented on locating the ego-self perspectivally in space for the survival of ego-self and reassuring his own existence in space) In two-dimensinoality, this "course" is not defined by power, ownership, individiality, unconventionality, or to distance or mileage traveled in "space" as a successful individual nor by "how many personal perspectives" the ego-subject can claim to "have mastered" and to personally "relate to" or acquire theoretically as a superior "iIntegral" who has read a book on iIntegral three dimensional theiry and because of this the integral wannabe is trying to dlimb the ladder of "success" devined by "Altitudes." Which only re-informs and re-inforces the masses stuck in non-integral orange and green by re-imposing three0dimensional dualistic standards tha t are spacially-oriented to space and hence are dual opposition to both Time and to non-subjects otherwise referred to as "it-objedcts" such asa autistic forms and whatnotin spis a "circular" course in Time in two-dimensional myth and not "forward motion" in three-dimensional space as in three-dimensionality which is linear and spatially and acquisitional and proprietorial yet is no longer acquaintec with time except in abstract conceptional or sequential formal at and is unaware that the structures are determined not by sequential time nor purely by physicality purely but largely in terms of how each of the structures relate to space and time. Two-dimensional unperspectival consciousness lacks an awareness of "space" yet knows one form of "time": completion of circularity and nonstop duration on this circle or whelee of Life is what gives a sense of two-dimensional consciousness personal identity, value, and worth to two-dimensional consciousness. Both one-dimensional magical consciousness and two-dimensional consciousness share a trait in that both re concerning not with "having" or "possession" (that is three-dimensional) but to be included and to be-long. Not as an individual "Self" who "owns" and "observes" "multiple perspectives" in space to preserve the ego=self=ID while collecting "more and more" numbers of different "personal perspectives" (that is orange and green 3d philosophy of space: not four-dimensional integral-aperspectival arational etiology of integral) but not merely as a member of a one or two-dimensional ego-group either (rather than as an ego-subject in three dimensional Self space). Gebser refers to this form of perspectivity--that is, the two0dimensional mythical consciousness of not "having" burt the right "to belong" as "unperspectival." And there is nothing wrong with that. The lady below who made the autistic remark below, for example--does not think that autistics are capable of being "integral" due to their relative lack of "perspective" due to a lack of "theory of mind" which the shehe then thinks is "integral." That is why the - chose me not you to presentiate this truth. While there is nothing wrong with either "unperspectival" or "perspeectival" or "multiple perspectival"forms of realization, to apply "perspective" as a trait that is held by every structure is erroneous. "Perspective"--whether singular persopectival orange or multipeeplo perspectival green--is three dimensional due to its spatial eorientation at the exclusion of time except in abstract linear form which results in a form of duality which cannot be escaped to gain a perception of the integral whole due to the subject standing in opposition to objects in space. Without these objects in outer space to stand in dual opposition to subjects of "inner space"-in three-dimensional space, the ego-subject begins to feel that he is die0ying. And it is only by measuring, observing, categorizing, systematizing, and possessing "it-objects" in three-dimensinoal space does the ego-subject feel sufficiently secure to have a sense of "Self" and personal identity. This keeps the ego-subject oriented to either/or subject or objects in space which must be held in a dualisticopposition to each other in a subject:object dichotomy. Those who are confined in three dimensional space are consequently dualistic by dividing their personal selves as "subjects" from the Universe and the rest of the Universe as "objects" due to the nature of the ego-self and wish to presenerve the ego at all cost. Wilber's response to Gebser's aperspectival arational integral is that it is "aperspectival madness" (seeing multiple "perspectives") indicating that he dies not understand Gebser's use of the termto distinguish integral "aperspectival" from green "multiplistic perspectivals" which is also evident in the tendency of Wilberian philosophers to so readily embrace the post-normal "soft, warmy feely sciency fictionals" as an alternative to "normal" science in an effort to "see from other peoples shoes or perspectives that I-Integral_iFe.com endorses no matter how fictitious or partial. This is why the Universe decided to label both this Zimmerman Exhibit " Type A" thinking of humans and Cibo Matto's Exhibit as "Stereo Tyop A" as "A" to indicate that combined are previous and partial, yet still has some value for whatever it is worth. Both "Stereotype A" by Cibo Matto and "Exchibit A" by contributioners of iIntegral_ife.com are superseded (that is, "transcended and included" into the - not "replanced" or negated unless they aer bogus and in need of correction and enegation).

BArbi BelLAwrote:

Ah-ahat!! a "Miss Ta-HOTA!" (reminds me of that JAPANESE COMMERCIA, "mR. hOTA!" EEDEE DEE DOO DOO TEE TEE TEE DOO DOO for hot rice or hot gyoza food when tommy was a baby) PERHPAS noe n of this is immediately obviously to any oney to y to y they nakey eyebally yo famutha jerkedy mindy fleshy looky atthey intstrumentaly device but the URL is includedd so that they can look it up themselves bu reterning to the image of the batheroom contest entry for "International Colouring Contenst," noictice on the on the wall on the der l'photon i mean phonographe used to flushy the l'toilletteo om the l' photographe automatically down the draino (which also is temperature-controlled on the toliet seat) to keep the ass owarmy without becoming transparent to that which is visibly "transparent" in transparency but invisible to the eye of mind or flesh to behold which suggests, without access to the wholeness and transparency, "I'm gonna "WaFlush that grayish blue shit old lady hair dye and blue cibo mato skintone album cover=rightottua mare harass down into the comode and the gray box included" This photo differs from the one that was oopooloaded co-raply or c'rapmd from my computer into space becau tha one that we recall was an image of a subject:object stitting on the sitting on the toile posing for the photopraph when the snapshot was taken. AT the time of time consciousness nonpresent, we assumed that it was the same one as i have never seen the one above until it uploaded to this site. Oddly, this image dame out blue (and so we anatrually ass u me'pmdd that the image was paitned alla by the Itslef to a couloour of an ocean blue on porporse by the digital camera for the sake ofot subimmteding this photograph to the International Colouringidingy Contest on my behalf asacontemstsent. However, when the image was uploaded from the Time of Ever-Present O into outer "space" to the International Colouring Contest, the subject:objerky on the toiley which is viewable on my pooteputercom is now noticed to 2 appear consealed behind a grayisheyboxy givingy mey the elordymercy theey immpressiony (if judings stricty lully by the objerky thatis abelLA bu tisnotty oplainly visibowly to the nakey eyely of the bodymond ofy simploy fok les to "see" (e.g. by "simplo folkeyes," we are referring strictly to the los aboriginogoriginal homos Eartherlings, les peeplos decsanderdants sincenstuously fromo apure bloodline of honmo sapiens to they corrent genus or specialities, which have apeparently begun to mutate and deverge from homo sapiens sapiens to Happy Sspeeons of the third reichydementyons (homo SapaceSapapiens) bvased oracoordinaon to the Historical Channel International OR History Naltionality on TV that i aseen (coannto remember widh, chanel; both the saem seemell tome, Lucia Claire d La Lune d'Universe (which isnot form outer "space" nor originat from the MOON bu is Ever-Present in a Time of Originary Presence to ware and to a-ware what we are sent to communicate to Eartherling s concerning the der "the Al LA" (that is, "the whole" in transparency from the room of Moonplace, our temporary shelter in space for the sake of presentiation to humans): andwhose sensibillihillibilies perceive both physically and sear that they hear the same soundform the tone ofid to me as they both are originate from Earth (both chanels, that is to say, on TV) and borth channels broadcasted from television stations across planet Earth of "inner space" into outerstim ace of O) bu accordion to the television progorms, which have been repeatedlly boradcasting the same docomoentaries every single time that we have turned on the TV set for the past week or so (at least once per day if not more), the same program is on about "Alien Ancients" o Ancient Aliences on the His Tory Schaneel (not joking): this is phappening every time that i have tuened on the TV pfor the past week o so, which claim that lmost homo sapapapiens claim 2b eugenically bered from homo sapiens sapiens of Earth (as opposed to "outer space") from les originale homeo sapiens, adamanteve who were made of clay form the earthy. As such, the ocean blue theme of mer or Luna Masr is innaproporiate for the context of humanity becau only merfolk live underwater: not humons and we can obviously see that ti was the tirck of the digital camera behind my back while i was takeing the picture to "hide the decline" sicne it is depticing every thiong obove goround as UH NDERWATE R inthe OCEAN WHICH IS not that far from the TRUTH at current time now that wei think ofit frin the scientific context of human-caused limatec change and scurrent rate ofsea-level rise. Howeva, the artwork sobmitted obove to the International Colouring Contest should be onderstood form the context of mochines only (such as the device depicted(, which after all are not conscious along with robots and not onlybot also, those from the Universe (so we are told) but at any rate an automatic aoscillating toileyt flusher as depicgted above apresent time does not come sith soch a feature to measure and wquantify sea level rise for humans yet it is clear by the actions and intentions of the digintal camera's chosen subjectobjerky matter (which took the snapshot behind my back and turned it ocean blue without it even looking that way beforehabnd when i took the picture because i went to the bath room tspecifically to take a picture of the golden bronze or brownish popp[y Byzanteum themes at the time to show how i decorated the bathroom and trying to take a picture of the golden themes not blue themes in the balth room but instead, the digital camera took what appears to be an underwater scene, which is untrue from the mind of 3d because the bathroom is obviously a golden byzanteum themed batheroom and ) eso, even without my "personally" knowing beforehand consciously that the digital camera, an istroment, was conspiring against my will to take a blue picture of the bathroom instead in direct defiance and disobedience to my intent of taking a picture of the bronze bath romm whcih is how it appears to my physical senses (would emerge as later as :bklue," based on the evidnece but now is no longer "blue" burt is appearing as an "artiallially gray blox' instead(: hence: a colour of all colours mixed together no longer a blue bloodied purebred homo sapapeien sapapeiens nor merely a pueblo indian or sunset bronze Aoppooloonian coloured poop( or as a building bulilt of clay or earthen tones of Mothergoddesses or Fathergods, which wasthn there berfore (that is, the gray "box")). Thus unlike humans, a device or an alien not native of clay Earth excep tub tin physicality is not descended from humjanoids but is an adrod wsuch as the box of gray thing above also along with the automatic toilety fulishiter, are considered to be mindless and unconscious automatons compareid to himins) yet a mindless automaton, the digital camera, was capable of taking a snapsohot of humanity's potential fate by artistically searing and rendering the imatgery so that it would appear to be artificially anhanced by artificial procedures rather than occurring naturally yet was capable of articisically rendering an imageery of what is potentially the fate of humanity under several undred meters of sear water over the next few centuries making Earth uninhabitable for homosapapaeins. Death being unoku implied as the meaning behind the digital camera's message of endcoding the bathroom and all contents in it (including moi) the colour oceanioblue as it if were al lunderwater. Fortuantly blue as we had noted previously is a something colour forgot word used meaning it ican be worm wonr worn in a veriaty of different settings to take on different more or multiplicity of meanings. In the context described above, the colour blue siginifies death in the constext of global warming and sea level rise unless we all go robotoc like meise and become a gray box by the next few centuries which does not bod well for the eartherlings to be fullooshingly fjushing themselves underwater and down the toilehy into the comone. Making allof this perceptible from the aperspectival whloe in transparency requires much time and effort on the part of the arthur but is being successfully accomplished with this post along with previous one, concerning, "MAYBE THE PEOPLE WILL BE THE TIMES OR BEGWEEN HILL HAND CLAREKESVILLE" (an apprehension grasped without knowing but inencoded into the langeuage of tree-dimensional space to say, more or less--"I'll be back but intekel "THEN" and if you just can't make "teh room," look up and see me on the . ... .... . . ... . . . .... . . . .. ... .....or "MAYBE THE PEOPLE WILL BE THE TIMES AND SPACE."

cOMING SOON:

Dissussion of the artwork above in light of the artwork posing as a scientific and integral and subbittmed to Integral Ife.com on climate change denial and what t he latest submission t o the INTERNATIONAL COLOURING CONTEST REVEALS in transparency concerning the 3D work of art and trick of science fictional below:

World Leadership Crisis. Exhibit A: Climate Change

Contributor: Michael Zimmerman

Equip yourself to tackle hard problems....

As leaders on scales both large and small, it's our job to grapple with hard problems. At times, with the mere mention of these problems, we feel a weight settle upon us. One such weight looming large for many world leaders is climate change.

You can probably feel the difficulty of the whole situation. Time is short, uncertainty is high, and the stakes may be even higher. Competing business and political interests collide every day. The tensions run deep, driven by conflicting values and differing needs. This is the nature of the hard problems of our time: they are densely interconnected, emotionally-charged and complex. They also change rapidly, often without warning. In effect, these are what scientists call "adaptive problems" (or "wicked problems"), where the problems may actually evolve by the day. (In contrast to adaptive problems are technical problems, which tend to have a static solution where the skills, needs and capacities to solve them are known.) Climate change is immensely difficult because it is an adaptive problem, and requires adaptive leadership to address. Confronting an adaptive problem takes more than a bag of tricks, it takes a whole new way of being with a broader and more complex mindset on the world—a way of being that is naturally able to:

Step outside one's ideology and value system in order to re-craft a more complete view of a situation
Understand the evolutionary nature of the people, culture, behavior and systems that contribute to complex problems
Quickly grasp the complexity of a situation
Build trust between diverse interest groups
Stay grounded amidst the constant demands for change
Find the confidence necessary for courageous action

To read the remainder of the quote above go here. The following responses in atitalickitys are two redsponsives we have received from I=iNtegral_Ife humans in response to our response to over "there" entitled:

Part 1 of 4 of Zimmerman Interview on Climate Change, Video 2

Posted May 21st, 2010 by barbi hammond in climate change

In Reference to:

World Leadership Crisis. Exhibit A: Climate Change

pershonal contributors: Jennifer Groovery n Richard Laymanhy, etc.

(We will return to respond to these and other queries or commentaries later):

Aspie?

Posted May 21st, 2010 by Jennifer Grove

I checked over your profile a bit. This must be one of your fields of expertise, yes?

I see you are very skilled at handling Objects mentally. And I see that you are even able to turn the Subject into an Object. I have two Aspie friends who can also do that.

Can you do a quality, authentic 3-2-1 on those who you think are wrong?

I'm not asking this to embarrass you. I'm attempting to remedy a situation which you may or may not even see. I'm trying to help.

For just $14.95 a month, YOU TOO can offset your Karma Footprint by becoming a Member of Integral Life!

[has that already been done?]

Did Wilber just double down on Descartes?

Posted May 22nd, 2010 by Richard Layman

"This is the ultimate downfall of Wilberian philosophy: it is spatially-oriented on mass, measure, and quantity of "multiple perspectives" at the exclusion of Time and the aperspectival whole.."

If we speak of Cartesian dualism may we not also speak of Wilberian quadism? What quadrant is the eros or creative spirit located in?

Time is so important, too, in dynamic phenomena.

You are right on with your critique of Zimmerman and the interviewer.

Oh Dear Lord, save me from my basic needs!

There is no answer. There is no solution. There is only practice. (Anon.)

Amen to that one (but just to that one (Anon.) sentence i mean my Amen to entire Ricahred Layman's contribution above (please pardon moi Richard) which somehow skpped "over" accidentally the italicized portion and read only the bottom sentence that was not permitted to be italicized by meowa by the Universe even though I made an attempt to italizice that sentence to credit the propoer anonymous autorieties to indicate that it was not typed out or "thoutght of" by meo as i had done wit hthe Zimmerman science fictional and the non-aspie Groovyian jenetic human theory trying to help the Universe when they should help themselvesa on Earth first o t solve climate change. Instead, the Universe has to send autistics to help them. We must pause from space(s) of quantity as demonstrated amply by I-Integral_Ife philosophy of humanistics values vs. nonuhuman aspies and robotic Decartes Machinisstics duchonomies of non-aspies to return for quality time of practice, "Let's Gr00vey" (0non)0) bu will return to response to theese and other humanistic vs. non-human questions soon from non-aspies/nonautistype "A" individuals. To summarize briefly for now0what the Universe is communicating to not only a stereo la "BOT," Exhibit 0 B, but to a Purina Catdog Chowawa orMeoWA (US_), the ladymans above, Jennifer Groovery n Richard Laymanhy,

(i bback gotta go p.......please doo return when this is compltee).
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",AUMAY BE, THE PEOPLE WILL TOBE THE TIMES or SPACE"...

Posted May 23rd, 2010 by barbi hammond

GONE TO---->: "OuterSpace" Where There's Space For LuciD, a BA-ahh Mu-00h LAn. Poeepolls who know me that are my FRIENDS will have my new addy to my new "SPACY"

What is happenin' and ha you been? Gotta go, bu i'll see you again And oh, the music is so low-DAand then i fade into tha . ... .......... . .... ......... . ... .......... ?. . ... . Crowds fo people setanding every where Cross the street i'm at tha laugh-o-fair And here, they all ways play mah sowng-zah! And mer, i wonder if it's . ... .......... . .... ......... . ... .......... ?. . ... .* Wrong or Wright they come here just the same Telling every one about the case And if you think it obsolete Then you go back a cross the . ... ......... Street. ye-YEAH............ . .... ......... sTREET ...............eeYeah, heh!........ ?. . ... .* BA-da da Da da da da Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da BA da da Dada data data data data data data data Dada daa daa daa daaowwWA! Boo doo doo Doo doo doo doo Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo dooDa Da Daawa-Hat! ha! Dada data dada data dada data dada data . ... .......... . .... ......... . ... .......... ?. . ... .* Whe ni lea now, don't you wee (pff(!OR me! All be back so save a seat for me! Bu if, yujest can't make tha "room," Look up: and see me on tha . ... ....... . ... ....... ?. . ... . Moon's a common scene around mah tawwwon Hear, way avery wom ens painteddy brawwwwon But tif, ewe knew t hat snot the waye Lets go paint every body . ... ... ......... graye........ ... ............e yeah........... . ... . ............ Gra .........vee-yeaY hay!

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Mere words cannot describe the music of Lucia Pamela, star of this week's feature story. Maybe it's because of her unique artistic vision. Maybe it's because her one album, Into Outer Space with Lucia Pamela, was recorded on the moon. (This is what she always claimed, and really, there's no reason to doubt her.)

Whatever the case, we at Riverfront Times cannot let our story about Lucia Pamela pass into the archives without sharing some of her music with you, our dear readers. All MP3s are posted courtesy of Erik Lindgren at Arf! Arf! Records, which produced and still sells the 1992 CD reissue of Into Outer Space.

MP3: Lucia Pamela, "Moontown"

MP3: Lucia Pamela, "Walking on the Moon"

Sadly, Lucia Pamela never recorded anything after Into Outer Space. But her spirit lives on: Stereolab wrote a song about her, "International Colouring Contest," which appeared on 1994's Mars Audiac Quintet. (Video below.) Stereolab vocalist Laetitia Sadier recently told the RFT, via e-mail: "There was something radically optimistic about her, that imagination was strongest of all and would conquer all, which was really inspiring."

Pamela was just one of many practitioners of what is known as outsider music. The blog at WFMU, the New Jersey radio station where outsider music scholar Irwin Chusid toils as a DJ, also has a very fine repository of outsider work, including the legendary song-poems and a Japanese interpretation of the Beach Boys called Pot Sounds. "Maybe the people will to be the Times or 'space'" by the song, "MAYBE THE PEEPLE WILL BE THE TIMES OR BETWEEN HILL AND CLARKEDALE OR CLARKESVILLE OR MAYBE, "CLARKEHILE" BY ARTHUR LEE AND HIS PSYCHEDELIC BNAD.

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Posted May 23rd, 2010 by barbi hammond

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Notice the "blue (i mean, greydot embedded into the black bos). I did not do that. That means that little silvery grey dot inside of the black box is the Moon becau i have seen pictures of Satan with green doxts inside of a black box meaning that Stan is really GAEA bu that i am from the Universe or from the moon.

the "original" phicture prior to the modification above by the Universe:

The images above were modified in varioius ways "by the Itself" without my "inpot"; just "turned out" thataway by "the Itself": not "above" or "below" burned but turned around in various "directions" by weme to try to figure out what they hell the Itself and peeplos too means when they trying to be "directional" to autistics via 3-2-1 3D human instructionals to autisticx as if too imply that the University did not sent me "this way" ('BORN THIS WAY') for a reason and not to be like homo sapeians sapeians. "Directionality" refers to mentality and thinking in three dimensional space and as such is spatially-oriented on visual acuity on either/or subjects of "Self" vs. "Other" (which they define as "it(s)-objects" as if "its" is such a "cut-down" to "lower" in formats than "I's") also, trying was trying to figure out why many images on my computer that were previously fully "visible" to the eye of eyeball HENCE "visibly viewable" to the human mind or body are now some of them are "covered up" behind black or gray boxes either partially such as above or fully or partially such as below. Over time we began to "piece together" the varoous clues that the universe is isending to me via encoded languages and messages long prior to the imagery below apearing on this site of Zimmerman videos: to reveal via transparency that by becoming transparent to th e whole in transparency (diaphabneity), that which was previously hidden and concealed as nonessential, "too complicated," "nonexistent" or invisible to the eeye of bodymoind becomes visibly transparent to the whole of consciousness in tranceparency to verition and impart the truth and not merely offer "truth claims" without capacity for "proof." We are now being informed that the partially concealed boxes in graye or black boxes were among ather reason it waws in anticipation of the imagery below, which attempt ed to "present" a false vision of the world by posting a picture of a giant iceberg to imply non-transparenty and therefore, non-integrally that global does not exist as "warming" but only as "cooling" that and sea ice isn't melting because looky here:

That is is an iceberg and is not the same thing as melting sea ice (whether in the form of year-round sea ice or seasonal sea-ice which floats mostly on top) so is presenting a false impression of the nature of the global warming that is occurring by confusing ice bergs that are heavy chunks of land ice that break of f of the glaciers so are heavy and are mostly underwater with melting glaciers and melting sea ice. All ice bertgs look like that. Now we are noticing that the recent images that have been changed by the universe to all black or all graye with a little bit left visible "on top" means that we are from the Universe or are either "mixed"; but that you peeplos who are climate change deniers are landlubbers from EArth made of clay bu are heads up toward the sunny blue sky up above looking face up while the rest of the body of humanity and Earth are "headed" DOWN "below" towardS HELL AND HIGH WATER; that is--underwater.

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On barbie's accidental comment to my "Descartes" comment

Posted May 24th, 2010 by Richard Layman

Barbie, I can't even imagine (I say somehwat enviously as I try) what it must feel like to blast such a high bandwidth burst of streaming thought into print.... pretty good I imagine.... I would need at least ten of my current brains in parallel, each with its own set of independently moveable eyeballs perhaps. My typing speed of about 30 inacurate words per minute forces me to compress and organize my thoughts well before typing. I look forward to reading your reaction to my idea about dualism/quadism vis a vis non-dual or aperspectival groking of a dynamically incipient version of reality that might be transpersonal or universal as well as something other (what was the other thing?) Inner/outer (subjective/objective)and singular/plural distinctions seem only to be distinctions of convenience (moving mathematical parentheses or brackets around) for a particular associative or transitive purpose. The distinction/relation between part/whole seems more ultimately insoluable and yet you can move the boundaries all around there as well.

I said time was important without saying how because I don't have much of a grasp on what it is....it mainly seems to apply only in the case of motion or change which depends on the presence of a something which moves and/or changes in situ. I wish I had some inkling of where gravity fit in the quadrants. Same place as spirit, I suppose, although my current thinking is that the concept of spirit is either wrong or superfluous to a natural explanation of natural phenomena. If it is supernatural then it belongs with the name of God--unspoken by our natural tongues. Amen.

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The polarity and ambivalence of the Mouth

Posted May 24th, 2010 by barbi hammond in response to On barbie's accidental comment to my "Descartes"...

You are very astute in your observation but Time cannot be "grasped" or "understood" by the mind of hand/eye coordination or "holding" or possession of space because it is not space but is Time which is immeasurable and beyond conceptualization tje veracity of which can be veritioned and opresentiatedstrated by those who are very (actually, better to call your "observation" not "observation" but, rather, "perception" so as to remain neutral and generic in our language to avoid the error of conceptualization of perception which results in conceptualization and, hence, partiality of perception into three-dimensional organs of emphasis, t he brain (director/subject) and the eye(s/eea-ha! no wonder that only my left earplug is "working" lately) ("directeesy" anday actresos easy "abjectedly" either/or adverbially or adjectively nouny objecty), which combined refer to mentality and thinking (and, due to the king's aspirations towards "thinkness," prevers verticality over that of horizontality in appearance or stature of directionality of "up high" opinion, that is, Altitude) both of which are in reference to only one mode of realization, "thought," which due to its associated organs of emphasis of hand/eye coordination and mentality or thinking is always a mo data or rather, doto o modof perception that is "directed: to, towards, at" (and remember: "direrection" can only refer to a rightward orientation toward a futurisitic directionality of slinearequential time from past to future to a clear "white light of daylight" of "I'm beginning to see the Light" due to its visual orientation on the visual as oppposed to the leftward orientation which by contrast is not a "direction" (for only a right-ward orientation can be "directed" by a thinking subject, after all: who is autocratic and autotistical or either/or is egalitarian and equalistidc (but not BOT) i meant, "both" or maybe, "both" typ0 and nontype 0 whereas a leftward orientation is "undirected" and hence is headed backwards toward the ABYSMAL of Universe, "black" as opposed to the white right individual of the subject)bedosubjectively mentality hand/eye coordination handed down by oridination of a thinking and directed toward an "objective or object" or servant or subjectS (plurality), 3D visual acuity) todo and togo tobe bedo but not to simplyl "be" notso capable to perceive that time is first and foremost, a quality and hence an element that is unique to Time alone and distinct from "space" (e.g., in physics, a zero-dimensional "imaginary dot" extended (=) extension into onedimensional verticalorhorizontal line (without a "point of reference," the "dot" in zer0dimensionality cannot meaningfully be described as extended "vertically" or "horizontally," whether "left" or "right"--which ar e relative to other "dots" or objects in 3D space but in 0D only exist as an infinitesimally undivided "whole" or "dot" in zero dimensional without a reference point in "space" 3dimensional (e.g. "vertical" line + horizontal width ed out to = three-dimensional "depth" andor spatial extent)--which by contrast is not a quality but a quantity. Moreover, the four-quadrant system is a quantification (not qualification) of the whole into "space" irrespective of whether the subject attempts to "qualify" this "space" into "inner" or "outer" space (e.g. sectors) via subject:object dichotomies which are identified and classified as either "nonspatial" (e.g., "nonphysicals") thinking i/wesubjects quadrants l" vs. mindless it-objects (be they physical mindless "it-objects" or nonphysical or so-called "nonspatial" conceptual or imaginary objects in space all of which concern space (whether subjects or objects and whether "physical" or "non" (so-called) "nonspatial objects") all of which are spatial elements that are quantitative and hence partial as a consequence of the diffisioning of the undivided originary whole into systematic "parts" into "identities" or rather, into dis-identification from the whole which results into the locking of the whole into frozen nonmovement of locality in space (which cannot be "localized" unless it is frozen in nonmovement in spatiality) (and rmember: "the whole" is neither vertical nor horizontal exclusively, nor "depth" only but refers more inportantly tothe whole of Time of originary Presence of 0rigin which is the perception all of Time of past, present, and future as "Ever-Present" (and not merely linear or sequential) and the aperspectival four-dimensional whole of Ever-Present 0 is inclusive of 3Dspace too) but without a perception of the Ever-Present )0, which is 4 dimensional Time(space included) but without inclusion of Time as a quality, reality becomes 3Dmensional and spatial which is not an aspect ofreality referring to "quality" but to "quantities" quantification of the whole identification of "self" (or "selves") into dividisions resulting in only a partial perception of the whole (e.g., "perspective" or "multiple perspectives" in space: not an aperspectival whole by collapsing athe four-dimensional whole of Time(s includied) into space only that is divided into a #4numeric quandarnt system of a #3D conceptual map of space projected or collapsed onto a 2D mythical surface plane or imagemaeryapery on the 2d map and computer screen that locates and confiens horizontally "non-self" or "others" (e.g., mindless "it-objects) on the right-hand quantrands on the map and locates "selfves" on the left quadrants dividing identity dualistically between subjects and objects located horizontally and then further divides the duality into a uquadruplicity of "up" or "down" quadrants referring to quantity whether with respect to "upper" or "lower" spatial sectors or "positions" of quantity in space concerning the systematic (or meta-systematic) organizations of phylaenomena into quantities of "one" ("singular upper quadrants") vs. "the many" ("plural lower quadrants")) either of which--inner:outer space or upper:lower space are in reference to space at the negation of Time with the exception of spatialized time which is a falsification of Time into space and hence the four-quadrant system is partiality via the divisioning of Time--which previously, in a previous mode of realization (two-dimensional not three=dimensional dual oppositionals but, rather, two-dimensional mythical polarity), divided "space" into times and thus referred not to nonmotion of 3Dspace but to temporicity which is a circular movement of time and divisioning of "space" into Night and Day and the It's the Time of the Seasons or "Maybe the People Will Be the Times or between Hill and Clarkedale space" for loving and celestail periodicities (and not vice-versa as tyodoay of space "dividing" Time into quantities of mass, measure, and quantification of selrf or "Self") but of course in two-dimensional consciousness there is no conception of "space" except "imaginary space" so refers more to "place" of endless cycles or durations of motions of Time not through space but through the andnot or sould which vascillates endlessly not through space but between life and death of those who are living, dead, and even in those with no life or neighther spinning right round baby right right Dead or Alive ("I have no lofe" which was changed by the University typ0 from "life" to "lofe" of "o" instead of "i" since the saying, "I have no life" is synonymous with saying that "I have no soul" or with saying that "a-HA!Ta d a-ah! "had" one (and a "good one," too (ahahahaLOL) before i sould to the Deveil," which basically sums up my situation for me today in this may so-called "life" of Reality Bites or so-called "Lusty Moth of May" i meant, "month" yet it is true now that i think about it that we are currently engaged in the Month of May in doing not climate change "solutions," but "practice" of majorette routine, "Let's Groovy" not to "Earth, Wind and Fire" but to the beat of a different drummer? tune too, Stere0-LA Bot am me, "a Space Moth" or "A s pies Moth" now that we consider tha t the porgrorm on TV today when turned on the television set was differnt, instead of "Ancient Aliences" i meant tot type, ancient "aliens" on the History Channel nationality or l'histoire du chanel international cannot remember which both seemell the same tome remembbu wateva was a program about asNostrildomas a Mata aHara a dancer and spies on Kairos for m atemps of quality time but do interject recall that Kairos, during the time of Mata Hari, was a spy and a psychic in the 20th Century called "Cairo" methinks and was not associated with its previous incarnation, that of Kairos, god of quality time in a time of antiquity: who iddiferent god from Kronos Quartet god of quantitative Clock time so guess the typ0 was "correct" to change it from what i intended to tope and prore i to t hat, Time existed in the form of timelessness in what is romantically referred to as the eternal timeless magical moment of "Now" which is not synonymous to "Present" but refers to a one-dimensional magical timeless moment of "now" which is forever lost in a momentary moment of "now, now, now..." but knows no past or future and is blind which can either refer to the "LL quadrant" (but unmarked and misidentified as "Power Puff Girs or Gods" for magic which refers only to the deficient form of magic which degreydid into witch 'r craft and underwater basket weaving class r craft which emerged some time during horticultural societies and is the form which moderns awe ra-rare of in primitive aboritinal societie magical culture of shamans which all refer to dificient magic follow wing the time of efficient magic which is a more archaic form of one-dimensional magic and is prior to language and whose organs of emphasis are not the brain or eye of mind of #D3 nor the heart and mouth of efficient two dimensional, that of visionary myth (eyes closed, mouth shut in inner contemplation or praryer which refers to psychedelic vision or experience in "the heart of seaing" and hence, to sea-ring and or "seering" and is in reference to the imaginatory realm of psyche/soul of visions or powers of second sight IN two-dimensional temporicity or circular time as well as to the "dark night of the soul" prior to its loss of potency and degrading of the actual experience or vision of the psyche/soul via inner contemplation with eyes closed, mouth shut in prayer or clone to that of "outward utterance" of the vision or experience of the seer in "second person language" upon the putterance of the "first person" vision to narrate the story to the peopol other conscious in forms those who will hearken to the sounds of magical listen to their soultory pository aligatoratorially and not merely "looky, see" images with eyes and "read-only" the words in the three-dimensionality of mentality fictitional, which think that "mouth" only maens, "to eat" or to owtward utterence of expression of explicitives "TALK" sound like, talking "DOWN to: Ime" doesn't for i-iNtregal talk anywayz so SHUT YER DAMN FACE (order to: mouth). Hence "mouth" in 3D is a partial e.g. perspectivally-oriented apprehension that prefers the mouth to be "SHUT" than "OPEN" SO prefers to refers to mouth only derisively as "outhing off at meme" but will not use "mouth" to say, "mouthing intersubjectively in a "space" of "we" because 3D eye of mind thinks the mouth is "bad" or "wrong" wgeb it "talks down" to it in the form of music or story and prefers more of a "readonly format or observational as in DSMV Diagnostitical at me who is only a autistica after all so differs from two-dimesnionsla polarity which is ambivalent and ambiguous and perceives "mouth" both as ("SUT" i meahn, "closed mouth, eyes open in inner contemplation) and "OPEN" (mouth to utter outward story) perhaps onlyto a duality, that of "magidal muteness" (mouth closed) two-dimensionality refers to not a duality but to a polarity: which differs from "duality" in tha t a polarity is not in reference to "perspective" (which is dualistic and partially preferential toward "one" (or any "ones") at the exclusion of "other(s)" and not polaristic u2dimensional in that duality of i-iThree-dimensionality is in reference to a thinking subject who is either/or perspectivally-oiriented (and hence, partially preferenc=tial) on either "him" self and object(s) (predominantly orange rational 3D) or otherwise is partial towards intersubjective on "him" "selfves" in an interobjective space (predominantly green 3D). And since three-dimensional is patriarchal, that is why green ERA feminists (and te hah! so-called "Green Inquisition" er s described by ultra-modernist i ans well as by i-iKW of green environmentalists against the poor orange defenseless nationalorange industrial-defensive complexities being vilified by pluralistic green global environmentalists and green ERA feminists and what's a poor rich orange rugged self-made individualist I'ma Dude gonna do about it? campaign) has an air of truth with respect to "appearances," that is, with respect to "the myth of the given" or what is obvious to the sense s or to the mind of physical appearances and men-tally and man-like characteristics or attrubites given to "butch-y" and antagonistic ERA feminists and the "It's the Spanish Inquisition!" green environmentalists perceived er somewhat decidedly and decisively directionally and derisively by male-dominated three-decisivelys decidedlys 3D patriarchal ultra-modernist societies or tribes or otherwise variously by mod ultra-groovy individualist girlgboy (including much of i and i-iIntegral theory and modern Japanese societies bu(excluding Cib0 Matt0, "M00nchild," from Stere0 Type Two Dimensional, who is feminine so excluded(Imadude included(who is androgynous or child-like0)) who stereo type exhibit A the ERA feminists and green environmentalists as antagonistic and "manly" (in appearancy due to 'myth of the given') and are prone to do so by standing in opposition to objects in space). However, in two-dimensional polarity, "mouth" does merely refer only to "spoken myth" of deficient two-dimensional methical (e.g., "mythid of the given, Exhibit A by 3d," by 3D method of modern low down portralyer of g is it national vs. global? starring as "In Yer FAce 808" State of the World Forum Crisism alarmism, Global Warming Alarmism, those things and greens that keepson-ringing that damn alarmism speach-talkings-nonstopims with their mouth wide opens and spewing fomay speach atheir eyes wide y OPENS galaring down at us, and will NEVER STOP or shut the fuck up to look up at us ha not glare DOWN us at but be nice to us up higher to communicate and relate to humans ("Can't wejust all get along?") bu only looks down below at the GAEA to matical muteness when mouth is "shtu" and eyes are closed in dreams or visionary experiences "oppositecodification into spoken myth (respectively mute and lives perpetually "now, now , now, I Want It NOW" by Veruca Salta Willy Wonka but unacquainted with the times or the sceasons or the past or future neither in one-dimensional magical consciousness there was apart from "complete identity"--which can only refer to undivided undifferentiated wholeness or fusion (archaic zero-dimensional structure) in the quality of motion or movement. Motion is a quality of time and not of space, which by contrast refers to location and measurement of a motionless and temporically-nonmoving object in in "space"relative to the perspective (that is, "fixity"03D subject in "inner space" )four-dimensional spacetime and not of three-dimensional space didnot ever get around to my "[point" and must now take a break for a brief intermission so allbbbback bu don't "hold onto t hat though )

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Posted May 25th, 2010 by Richard Layman in response to The polarity and ambivalence of the Mouth

My language input processing system doesn't have enough buffer space (short term memory) for 500 word run-on sentences so I have great difficulty parsing your post. The typos, original words and creative spellings sometimes make it hard to parse individual phrases, too. This is a particular neurological deficit of mine.

(By the way, the spell checker in my browser doesnt work on this forum for some reason --it flags words but won't lookup or correct them. Do you know how to fix that?)

I have no problem parsing most of your excellent climate change posts where you are responding point by point to what someone else has said, so I assume the linguistic scaffolding of the quoted work is more familiar to my input processor, making your posts by inheritance easier for me to parse and interpret.

The post I am replying to appears to my brain as a pot full of snippets about time, space, dimension, culture, etc. that has been dumped out on the desk in front of me. I am not seeing any bigger picture or pictures in the tea leaves, so my brain is not able to compose a a very full response, as much as I would like to. I hope you may write something more conventionally organized that I can follow because I am very impressed with your wealth of knowledge on many subjects of interest to me and your ability to logically dissect and refute climate science denier BS.

That said, a few comments about time. You listed many examples of time words/concepts that were consistent with my statement that time seems always to pertain to movement in space or change in situ. I was thinking that even change in situ, such as ageing or heating and cooling, probably is a subset of movement-- movement on the microscopic or sub-microscopic level. So maybe my statement about time can be contracted to just movement. However, it occurs to me that time can be applied to something motionless in this way: "That stone has not moved for 3 hours" (ignoring the possible motion of whatever the stone may be attached to). Would this simply be another subset of movement: movement=0?

The only other interesting things I know about time pertains to relativity and quantum mechanics. Though I don't think I fully understand either field, I find it fascinating that 1) there is a measurable correction that must regularly be made to the GPS satellite clocks and 2) that certain subatomic particles are said to be capable of being detected in two different places at the same time.

I don't have much to say about the latter, but regarding the GPS clocks I guess I am baffled as to why the clocks cannot be built so that they stay continuously in synch with time on the ground without repeated "corrections". If they know the amount of the relativistic corrections required, why not build the satellite clock slower or faster than the earth reference clock in the first place?

A look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_clock and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System reveals that the clock errors and communication errors involved in reading any clock remotely are possibly not relativistic at all but a variety of less exotic errors in atomic clocks and radio transmissions. The individual GPS clock corrections at any given time may need to positive or negative and the amount of correction varies. They are not predetermined but are computed ad hoc.

Hmm. I am getting suspicious of the scientific education I am getting from the Discovery and History channels.

Richard

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