Andrew Cohen

Something cool is going on here in this video.  I admire the courage of the woman who is clearly a mess about all this.  Certainly I can relate to what she appears to be going through.  

On a side note, something about Andrew Cohen reminds me of Adrian Monk.  Or maybe its Adrian Monk who reminds me of Cohen.  Oh brother...

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What is the significance of these exchanges for you, Maria. I'm wondering also what Brendan meant above. So little is said about what you each actually feel and think and I'm trying to follow. It's like that there's a subtext that I haven't read. I'm interested and this video is rich for possible reaction and response. Would you be willing to say more?  Thanks

That is really an incredible clip, because it highlights so clearly how different are the approaches to working with others of Ken and Andrew.  Ken clearly has a far greater understanding of psychological processes than does Cohen; he recognizes that this speaker is likely suffering from a fulcrum 2 lesion, and he knows that someone who has been wounded at a fundamental level like this is not going to be able to hear a "tough love" message like what Cohen is delivering.  This is truly a case akin to what Jack Engler spoke about: "you need to have a self before you can let go of it".  Thus, Ken affirms her reality, while also pointing out to her that this this reality is arising within spacious awareness. 

As a psychotherapist, which is what I am, I would never suggest to a depressed person that they "kill themselves".  

I admire Cohen for what has clearly been his ability to lift himself up by his bootstraps.  This is autobiographical for him, and his achievements speak to his ability to do this.  But in the context of assisting this woman, the approach he used for himself is not likely to work!

I would be very interested to hear about what she did with this information from the two teachers. What next steps she took, and so forth.  Does anyone know more of the story?

Durwin

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So I guess I wanted him to say something about the always already bliss and joy Deep Space untouched Conscious ground underlying whatever is all the time.  Seeing through the mist and having a chuckle (even about feeling like not chuckling).  Sometimes on a cloudy day, there appears to be no sun at all.  But this doesn't mean the sun stopped shining.  And I'm not sure the ego can bootstrap itself to peace on a rainy day no matter how determined the effort.  We might be able to clear some clouds, but we can't make the sun send light. 

This person has a lot of heart.  That's clear if nothing else.  Love and joy travel together.  So something in her is already pointed in the right direction!  And with a little resonance and marination I wonder if we might not have seen some grins through the rain.  And just as importantly, a deeper openning of her own empowerment as that energy became fully integrated...(self-liberating suchness smelling like a rose with no name).

"The first movement of emptiness is love.  That's also the first calling.  It leads to the whole universe, the creativity of this existence, and the birthing of it.  All arises out of this indescribable sense of love and beauty.  It's the first expression of nothingness.  In that sense, love is often a portal or doorway into the truest deepest state..."  -Adya

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