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Oh, sorry, Anne... I wasn't thinking about Ken's article when I posted this, just intended to juxtaposition this gnostic text with the scripture from John you had referenced earlier. Lots of similarities between the two, wouldn't you agree? Other than that, I just wanted to 'clear the board' of all the clutter that had built up from the earlier thread... let's see where we can go to get this railroad back on track:

Ken says (in Subtle Energies):

Thus, what the premodern sages took to be META-physical realities are in many cases INTRA-physical realities: they are not above matter, nor beyond nature, nor meta-physical, nor super-natural: they are not above nature but within nature, not beyond matter but interior to it.

So, take a look at Saying 113 (4) again: [Jesus said] "Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people do not see it."

But isn't that the very same thing that Ken just told us? Jesus was not trying to be mystical or speaking of the supernatural, he was trying to be factual, and tell people about real things.

The language may be archaic and somewhat stilted to us, but the 'code' is plain to the ears of any listener who is willing to understand that the IAM is speaking. Listen to these verses from John 3: 11 & 12 [Jesus said]"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that which we know, and bear witness to that which we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. (12) If I told you earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you heavenly things?" (Notice the switch from the 'royal we' back to plain old "I"? Who is the 'WE' that Jesus is referring to, do you think?)

What everyone misses (whether they are primitive or modern) is that God/Jesus {iswasam} a holon.

Jump ahead to Ken's Subtle Energies's paper: Note: in AQAL metatheory, the manifest Kosmos is composed of holons in various perspectives.  A holon is a whole/part—or a whole that is simultaneously a part of other wholes—e.g., a whole atom is part of a whole molecule, which is part of a whole cell, which is part of a whole organism, etc.  Individual holons, all the way down—atoms, quarks, fermions—possess a spark of sentience or prehension, so that all individual holons are sentient beings.  All individual holons are also what Whitehead called “compound individuals,” or individuals compounded of junior individuals: a cell is a compound individual, compounded of molecules, which are compound individuals compounded of atoms, which are compound individuals compounded of…. 

Haiti has been on my mind, too, kinda in the 'background', Anne.(I heard on one of the broadcasts that the UN is handing out 40,000 meals per day now. Let's see, there are about 9,000,000 people in Port Au Prince, I believe... so here's this morning's math question: how many days will it take them to reach the entire population with one meal? This may sound stupid, but the authorities need to start airdropping millions of individual small & medium dog biscuits to people, or they are soon going to have mass starvation to try & cope with, on top of everything else.)

What we are evolving into... if we are not already dinosaurs, but don't know it... is what we already are (God), if I understand Teilhard's Law of Complexity correctly.(Thanks for showing me that, I had not heard of it before!) We do have to 'dis-identify' from our individual minds of course, but that is only so that we can become infused with the Mind of God, instead.

I'm not familiar with Ken's concept of the Transpersonal (I have so much to learn!), where did you run across his idea? But I am currently reading a great book about the Gospel of Mary Magdalene by a man named Jean-Yves Leloup which talks about the 'Creative Imagination', which is "a metaphysics of Being where subject and object are born together in the same creative act of transcendental imagination." He talks about it as being a 'third state' of being, where objective reality and subjective reality fuse into One Reality, where truth is always being born.Does that sound like what Ken is referring to?

One of the (many) things I am trying to incorporate into my awareness is that God 'sees' all things from a different perspective than i do. So I am trying to comprehend His Viewpoint as much as possible, in order to expand my own.    I have discovered that that process has to happen internally, as well as externally, in order to 'stick'.

Examples: Intellectually, I learned quite some time ago that the way God views inanimate/animate matter & energy is different than our human viewpoint. As far as God is concerned, Matter and Energy & Life are all inexhaustible, and therefore they are expendable. (No-'thing' is ever truly "lost", it just goes back to Source, to be utilized over & over again, as needed... Spirit recycles. :) But I didn't truly 'know' that, until my stroke seven years ago, when I witnessed a part of my brain die, and realized that my 'iam' was not affected in any way. And I 'saw/knew/experienced' that my iam was connected to a BIG IAM, and that connection was absolute and permanent and forever. That understanding is a part of who/what I am now, and never is far from my consciousness.

So, when it comes to human emotions, does God love/hate? Does He know fear, or experience anger, or jealousy      as the Old Testament claims, time after time? I don't think He does, except through us. God doesn't feel love. GodISLove. And there really is no explanation for that, that's just part of His Mysteries To Behold.

Maybe getting all of humanity 'to participate' is Step One Thousand in a Participatory Universe? If so, then I suspect that the next 'step' is people will have to begin seeing and doing things through a collective will, instead of individually.

Carl