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Lucid dreaming or not

Posted January 7th, 2009 by claudia mimick
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Lucid Dreaming and the Causal Body

As I awoke this morning, it occurred to me that I really don't want to try to lucid dream because that would be like taking control of the dream state and I rather like my dreams being spontaneous. They are much more interesting to explore that way and to see my shadow state for what it is. Of course I give up the opportunity to control my reincarnation opportunity but I will take responsibility for that. Like Ken I tend to be an agnostic on that subject. What does anybody else this think about this?

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Lucidity happens

Posted January 8th, 2009 by Marjorie Reedy

I find that lucid dreams are not so much controlled as experienced.  Becoming aware of something doesn't have to mean you are controlling it, just that you are able to experience it on multiple levels.  I intentionally try to recall my dream-states at various times so they don't recede into oblivion. 

Some dreams are so vivid I still remember them after decades.  Why is that?  Somehow they are so deeply imprinted they have become part of the fabric of my being.  Is this lucidity, madness or nostalgia?  Call it what you will, it comforts me to let these neuronal pathways light up once again. 

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This is a common reaction thoughtful people have.

Posted April 1st, 2009 by Matthew Flowers

 

Hello Claudia

I have been an avid lucid dreamer for around four or five years now.  When I first began sharing the experience with people my way of explaining was in that "control" vein, but with more experience comes deeper insight.  Robert Waggoner wrote a book called "Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self," and in it he addresses this issue of control.  The analogy he makes is to a sailor claiming to control the sea.  Any sailor would be thought foolish if they claimed they could control the sea, but a good sailor can control their direction.

Approaching dreams as messages from the unconscious, or shadow, that could be tainted by your tinkering underestimates their power.  When in the midst of a lucid dream you direct your attention and maintiain an intention often you find what you are looking for, but not always.  Even if you are naively "playing god", as it were, the host of things that arise beyond your control is staggering (and for the first time you have the awareness necessary to comprehend just how staggering).

Indeed, some of the most profound lucid dream experiences, for myself and others, is when in the midst of a lucid dream you realize that you are not in control.  This happens through completely unexpected phenomenon or even a dream person refusing to do what you direct them to.  Also the ability to directly interact with shadow aspects, and even ask them pointedly what they represent only heightens the message.

If you are still interested I would highly recommend the Waggoner book, especially the second chapter as it deals with this question in detail.  I'll leave you with the often made point that he reiterates.

"Most lucid dreamers would say that in less than ten percent of their dreams do they become lucid. In my experience, I recall about three dreams per night, or about ninety dreams each month. In an average month I may only have three lucid dreams. Proportionally, more than ninety-six percent of my remembered dreams occur in the non-lucid form, and four percent or less in the lucid form." (22)

I hope this helps and feel free to ask me any questions.

Matthew Flowers

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Suggestions on dreaming

Posted November 11th, 2009 by Mike McNary

Claudia-

For me there is enough novelty arising in a lucid dream so that you don't have to be concerned about losing spotaneity. Lucidity allows you to become more aware of the scene and your reaction to it.  I think  lucidity helps with dream recall and the depth of exploration in dream analysis but I'm content to let the lucid state occur on its own rather than through an intensive incubation project.

In general the most helpful work I've read on dream work is from Jeremy Taylor http://www.jeremytaylor.com/ and Robert Johnson http://www.wholenesstherapy.com/public/johnson.htm

Mike

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Live and Love without fear

Posted February 5th, 2011 by Kevin Simpson

 

Cludia,

FWIW. I understand that dreaming can be very revealing after working at recording them over time and contemplating their possible meaning, as it relates to the existence we experience now, here. I regard them as gifts from Big Mind, Big Heart in the form of messages and 'openings' that serve our evolution to fully participate in Who we really are.

Lucid dreaming is fun, but I have experienced it once only. To work on becoming a lucid dreamer at the expense of becoming more aware in our day to day life would be a distraction from the work of 'chopping and carrying wood', and all that that implies in our spiritual 'work' toward higher, more inclusive states of awareness in order to graduate from this place of limitation. OSIT

As for reincarnation: the more one assimilates the idea of Big Mind and the implication in that for an awareness beyond time and space or limitation of any sort, the more one may contemplate the question of just who or what is 'reincarnating' anyway. And if it is in fact Big Mind Awareness, then reincarnation hardly describes the reality experienced - in that there is but One Identity in multiple guises, experiencing and coming to know Itself through simultaneous points of reference. And it follows that the idea of 'soul mates' similarly becomes irrelevant in that 'space', as there is but one Self to be found there.

But that is 'there' at a higher level of awareness, and here we are as individual points of reference for Big Mind, Big Heart; in this world plane, “chopping and carrying wood”, evolving toward we do not really know what. When we let go of limited self to identify with the unlimited, does the individuated self that we know and operate as a vehicle of awareness here and now somehow become redundant, or does this vehicle that has developed by way of Big Mind seating itself within, continue in usefulness in further evolution through higher densities of awareness?(I speak of the non physical bodies here)

If so, perhaps the concept of 'reincarnation' only applies to the limited points of reference that have not grown in capacity to seat Big Mind within, i.e. those bio-machines that remain mere automations through desire, deception or psychological trauma. If that is so, reincarnation only serves to allow the possibility of the development of the individuated 'I' or the potential seating of the Soul, through a cycle of recurring opportunity.

Of course I do not know, but I hope this perspective helps you loosen any shadow relating to reincarnation and allows you to free yourself from identification with lucid dreaming. Live and Love without fear.