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General Discussion: Excerpt A: An Integral Age at the Leading Edge
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Kosmic Karma ~ Wilber, you so mindblowing
Posted February 17th, 2009 by Brent SimpsonThe following will be a bit complicated and probably unskillfully convoluted (sorry). First two little notes A) this is all UL talk I'm not getting into Sheldrakes stuff (which is right-hand quadrants in relation to karma) B) This is a petty thought on a single word namely, 'prehension'. Here's the gist. The definition Wilber is using for prehension is roughly feeling (where karma would roughly be the feeling of the last moment passed on to the next although he does talk about gradiations of this even in the UL). Which makes a lot of sense at the human level (and I think higher animal level) and we can easily add cognition to that. As our present thoughts would be inherited from moments gone by. Thus, adding a level of determinacy to the felt-sense and cognitive experiences one will have. (I'm traumatized in the past by something and that still is held in my nervous system to some degree and expressed often as muscular tension).
Wilber also uses the term prehension for atoms and whatnot. But, a holon can only pass to the next moment that which it is in this moment. So, it seems strange that we would use the word prehension (when defined as something like feeling) when an atom I don't think can feel (this is not to say I think holonic growth doesn't work...I totally think his idea of holonic growth is mindblowingly revolutionary) Just that on this fine point the word prehension (as defined in this essay) as the means for passing on karma to the next moment through atoms might not be the right word (when feelings probably only come on-line with something like the reptilian/mammalian systems). Am I missing something here? It's been awhile since I read SES and knowing Wilber he probably had a spiel about something like this somewhere.
I think if this is in the ballpark, we could more easily map out the developmental (internal) karmas that get passed on with each new structural unfolding. What is it in an atoms interior that gets passed on to the next moment? That is its real karma (I think this is a valid question and I can't see how it would be feeling/ but maybe feeling isn't so far off? hummm. what do you all think?
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Kosmic Karma
Posted February 17th, 2009 by Christophe Witzjust a few impressions:
- the text is a good read, sometimes a bit repetitory/ redundant but I guess that's for some didactical reason. It could be shortened by a third, if you ask me. (But which third? I know I know).
- there are some typing errors
- I intuitively grasped the 'Karma & Creativity' concept. I could be wrong, but it reminds me of Deleuze's take on Henry Bergson.
- Finally some Integral Revolution!! And Marx is back again! Great. So let's wait for this mysterious fifth factor to get the party started. :P Uhm, I mean, let's wait for the moderate integral reform to begin. (Phew)
- I lost a bit track in the last two parts due to the technical nature of its content.
- All in all, quite satisfying. It's even more discourse-able than SES, which should trigger an interesting public feedback. When will it be published?
that's it for now. I'll take a look at the notes later. promised. xo
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hmmm
Posted February 18th, 2009 by steven martiniIf I am a piano string atom feeling the vibrations (UL) of the sounds and (UR) morphic fields of the piano which as a collective of strings (LR) makes the harmony and language (LL) of music.
If I am a human being:
How long does a moment in "moment to moment" last? Is there an official 'duration'?
Does each human being embody-transcend-and-include-each moment to moment at a different pace or frame rate?
What is it that is actually taking the perspectives that AQAL points out so clearly? What is building the frame to view through? What carries AQAL in it's cradle?
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