POLL: What do you think of UFOs?

But there's probably some whack stuff of terrestrial origin and that makes me feel all icky.

I just want me some good ol' alien saviors :(

I would love to see the topic explored in a more open-ended way, so that the range of possible explanations opens up more and there is less contention. For one thing, who is taking into account the way Stages effect the interpretation of sense data? I think I heard KW talk about this once, but he explained it away instead of keeping the possibilities open. This is not what I want out of an Integral Inquiry.

Thank you for opening this up.

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"The Left Hand Path, not merely the Right ... must take the lead."

~SES pg. 148

I wish the Alien Intelligence would speak up and tell us to stop "killing" ourselves and the planet!  However, I am sure each and everytime they try to make "intelligent" contact, they are destroyed by the governments and media unwilling to take these sighting seriously.  If Sarah Palin can shot wolves from her helicopter, then why would they ever try and appear to us apparent savages.

Fara Gold

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I think that for a poll like this let's also consider that there may exist different levels or various kinds of physicality other than the one we normally perceive and utilize. Besides this, due to some contact experiences quite objectively reported by some friends here in Perú and elsewhere in South America, I think that we must also consider the possibility of intra terrestrial dwellers (intelligent beings living inside the Earth's crust's natural and artificially adapted environments). The objective, exterior matter of both extraterrestrials and intraterrestrials may temporarily interact with the kind of physical matter we are normally aware of. Thus the phenomenon is elusive and, sociologically speaking, rather unimportant, insignificant and weird. As there may be physical realms other than the one we are accustomed to (and which we simply call 'physical' as though all else simply were either in the lump sum categories 'spiritual' or 'subtle'), we must remember that even the so called 'subtle' and the 'causal' realms of existence are supposed to have exterior, objective aspects. These objective, exterior aspects perhaps combine in different proportions to conform a particular physical realm. These other physical realms (probably made up of different combinations of more Metaphysically defined elements) may -under changing energetic conditions naturally and/or articifially produced- briefly intersect with our 'regular' physical world. Whether they be also simplistically thought of as "parallel universes" or as "other dimensions," I think that they are expressions of combinations of Three Essential realm-making principles (the Gross principle, the Mental and the Spiritual).

To say that the genuine UFO phenomenon is only 'extraterrestrial' is an oversimplification. Intelligences guiding a plausible ET spacecraft may normally live in one or more different kinds of physical universes than the one we are normally aware of. Then again, to say 'all of the above' may be true but, without a means to distinguish in finer analysis how the various aspects relate, also leaves us with an excessive degree of unproductive generality. I think that we need to start thinking about  'inter-realm' physics and processes while coming to terms with an Integrally expanded meaning of the word 'Metaphysics' in order to make progress in this UFO area of inquiry converging with the 'paranormal'. The truly "Integral" request here is for a more mature and inclusive Integral Theory that might be able to help serious, open-minded individuals consider the finer points of these matters more effectively.

As "Integral Theorists" I'de say that we need to be "inside a larger flock" (the word "Integral" means "inside a flock"  as "Inte" comes from Latin "Intus" meaning "inside" and "Gral" comes from Latin GREX, meaning "flock"). To be inside a larger flock we need to reincorporate all the "lost sheep" or the supressed-forgotten elements or human discoveries of our previous cultural stages. Then, we might be able to start incorporating into the flock interactive intelligent beings from other physical realms (whether they 'come' from other physical realms associated with other planets or with other physical realms associated with planet Earth). Perhaps only then we will be able to withstand with less conflict-inducing fear this more conscious association in a more natural, less fascinating, easy-going way.

So, from Perú I bid you farewell for now, glad that the subject is at least being referred to a bit less dimissively in an Integral forum. 

 I still like Terence McKenna theory best, that the magic mushroom is in fact an alien artifact, created by aliens.

I think it may be useful to consider much of the UFO phenomena as originating from internal space, rather than being only of extra-terrestrial origen, or even of military games to deceive a population emerging into a new paradigm of consciousness and human freedom, where the military is no longer required.

May I suggest that one consider the publications of John A. Keel, e.g. "The Cosmic Question" a.k.a. "The 8th Tower" and his "Disneyland of the Gods". It is interesting that Keel's revealing works were virtually suppressed by the 'control system'. I mean, just try if you can to get a printed copy of these...you won't be very successful. One has to ask why?

May I also suggest that one reads "High Stangeness" by Laura Knight-Jadczyk, wherein she lays out the hidden slavery of the Human Race by what is described as a hyper-dimensional or multilevel intelligence spanning millenia.

Also, for consideration is the work of Dr J Allen Hynek; the following extract from an address to the UN on Nov27, 1978:

"A global phenomenon...so strange and foreign to our daily terrestrial mode of thought...it carries with it many implications of the existence of intelligences other than our own...[It] bespeaks the action of some form of intelligence...but whence this intelligence springs, whether it is truely extra-terrestrial, or bespeaks a higher reality not yet recognised by science, or even if it be in some way or another  a strange psychic manifestation of our own intelligence, is much the question...It is indeed sobering, yet challenging, to consider that the entire UFO phenomenon may be only the tip of the proverbial iceberg in signaling an entirely new domain of knowledge of nature as yet totally unexplored, as unexplored and as unimagined as nuclear processes would have been a century ago." emphasis mine.