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Evolving Brains in Quadrants - A 3-D model of Integral?
I presented this at the 2010 Integral Theory Conference. I think its got potential and would appreciate any comments and feedback. (Its a 20 page paper, with no diagrams cause I took the ITC submission guidelines too seriously apparently, and I can't find a way to upload pictures to my blog. I'd be happy to email it if someone is interested)
http://integraltheoryconference.org/sites/default/files/itc-2010-papers/...
And here's a diagram that should help clarify the text (Thanks Jennifer):
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Neo-cortex thoughts on mammalian emotional happenings
Posted September 20th, 2010 by Brent SimpsonHi, hope you're well.
I really love the direction of thoughts here, as I mentioned to you before. It's all very fascinating!
I just have two thoughts after reading it and thinking back to your presentation in Winnipeg. One involves the notion that there is no need in your model for a 'spiritual body'... I am a fan of Occams razor (that the simplest explanation is often the best one). But and this is only a first-person/second-person argument so I don't expect you to take it that serious... (although actually I just thought of a third-person argument - but we'll come back to that!) In my first person awareness, I at least think I can feel into the emotional body or experience of others. When I am sitting next to a person on a bus, for example, I tend to think I'm feeling their emotional state I actually have (if I choose to use it) some direct emotional sway over them... it seems like this process is one in which i am using both directed attention plus a sort of communion through the heart center (i know that isn't very objective but...) And I do remember Ken also saying something along the lines of (and here is my argument from 2nd person) that he 'can feel ever being' in a room with him... he can sense there energy in a direct felt-sense way? The potential objective data may come from the HeartMath institute where I remember one of the blokes there say something along the lines of the pulsing of ones heart is actually measurable in another human being (I think it was via an EEG in their brain? don't quote me on that) suggesting that at a distance one is picking up emotional felt-sense data (although this I suppose could be explained via some form of behaviorist explanation) nonetheless, you may want to have a gander at HeartMath institute and ascertain how they get their data... their exact proposals on whats going on and how this may correlate with your work here.
Gosh... I forgot my second point, it wasn't very important I suppose, but if it comes to me I'll let you know!
All the best, Brent
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Proof?
Posted September 20th, 2010 by Lincoln Merchant1. How controversial is the idea of the triune brain in the relevant scientific communities? Have the three brains been located using modern brain scanning techniques?
2. You wrote:
"The sense of self shifts into the physical brain, and the activity, not the content, of the emotional and intellectual brain is “perceived” by the physical brain."
How could this, for example, be shown to be happening in the brain? All the lines in something with as much mainstream attention as Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligence theory have not even been correlated with specific modules in the brain.
3. It is easy to casually pin someone’s center of gravity onto a Spiral chart, but, due to the sometimes wildly uneven and idiosyncratic development across the various lines in the structure, correlating the Spiral level to a pattern of neurological activity would be extremely difficult across a broad sampling of people. You would have to set your definition of a Spiral stage in terms of lines with known neurological correlates while controlling for exceptional lines.
4. I’m glad people are thinking about the Upper Right. I’ve always been skeptical about the increasingly physically complex, but apparently hypothetical “structure-functions” that are correlated with higher mental levels in Figure 5 in INTEGRAL PSYCHOLOGY. A powerful blow would be delivered to Integral Theory if it was shown that supposedly 2nd and 3rd tier brains were not any more complex than 1st tier brains.








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DAMN!
Posted September 19th, 2010 by Jennifer GroveI wish I could take you up on this. But my brain is broke.
You can get pictures in here using the little yellow picture button in the format bar above the text-box. I can help you if you need it.
This is particularly important to me. I have a mental illness and I'm certain that there are some structures that have been effected and don't work very well. Others work too well. I'm very invested in this research because there are so many people who ass-u-me that an Integral brain is the most advanced brain working at optimum. The snobbery demonstrated by some around this is shocking.
Talk to me if you can. I will not be able to get thru your paper.
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