Hear for yourself: William Irwin Thompson

Eli. Seems like it is finally happening.

Sometime in the past, the plan of I-Life an I-I was to reserve a safe space in cyberspace (and in real life) to people at second tier only. The razionale behind it was that already there were so many blue safe spaces, orange safe spaces, and green safe spaces, but none teal safe spaces; and that people at second tier had the right (like everyone else have) to speak their language fluently, without filtering; just be themselfes.

Part of "being themselfes" for blue is to group together and talk shit about homosexuals. That's not strange or bad. In fact is good. Is the free expression of a level of consciousness.

Part of "being themselfes" for green is getting together and speak shit about orange views. For them they are guilty of all bad in this world, and it is fine that there are places for them to express this anger (even if, from a second tier perspective the story goes a little different).

So, what about teal or more levels? Do we have such a space?

I-Life and I-I wanted to provide  that space. A space of peer relationships at second tier level.

Ken said many times that he co-founded or participated in many organizations that started at second tier, but then needed more money and so invited green (cause second tier is always about a minority because of obvious reasons).
Apparently according to him those organizations finished to, at one point or another give up teal views and accept more and more green views, up to a point in which the COG (center of gravity) of the whole organization went first tier (and at that moment, Ken left the organization).

I don't think I-Life is inviting green because lack of money; I think it's inviting it because of another reason that was discussed a lot; the razionale being "It's time to start talking down the spiral", meaning, we have to take exiting green people and help them do the final leap.

Obviously the only way to do that is having those people in the/looking at the organizations first.

So interviews with exiting green people started to pop up, and many anti-anti-green medicines were proposed into the teal level, so that it could be more green-friendly, like telling your son to behave when the guests come to dinner.

One problem with all this is that not everyone here, apparently, agrees that it's time for doing that.

I myself keep doubting about it. There is a time for doing that. But have that time arrived?

For inviting exiting green people and be strong enough to help in their transformation (or to offer at least a teal community to them that could be appealing to their already born teal consciousness) then the organizations / the teal club have to be really strong, really based, completely grounded.

Is that how I-Life community looks?

What would have happened if, let's say, the first 20 hippies in the 60's, instead of isolating themselfes (up to the point of creating communities with hundreds or thousands of people) went directly to make manifestations right away? Those only 10 people?

The first 10 people that started to have those green feelings (it's a very basic storytelling I know but stay with me) would have to chose between transforming others (going to manifestate right away) or work as an attractor to others that are already transformed, to build community.

So you have 2 phases: first you group with the peer community (which you have to find! and to encourage to come out! cause normally they are afraid and hidden in the previous level of cosnciousness, like I hide my Integral ideas for so many years (before Ken appeared in my life) to not being banned from my green circles). And second, with the well founded community you go out and preach, try to help the others transform. In the case of green that is sometimes mean, in Teal case that is respectfull of all levels, but the preaching is preaching any way. Is trying to help people that is almost there (exiting green) do that leap.

So again, are we ready for step 2? Well, the reactions to our critique of Green (like the negative voting on you for freely expressing the most truthful and simple, vomiting sensation when hearing such a viral declaration by Thompson) shows that maybe we went to fast.

Why going so fast to phase 2 when phase 1 is not even near to be accomplish?

Maybe there is some strong community going on locally in some part of the US. I don't know that first hand cause I live abroad.

But, at least in other places (Argentina, Peru, France, Chile) there is no such a strong community (and in some places like France there is no community at all!).

And it's argueably reasonable to say that there is not such a strong community online either; most of the community that build around I-Life "products" is exiting green (like the many listening to "The Future of love" teleseries. 

I recall Ken saying that the first thing that happens when a level of consciousness start to arise for the first time in history, is that it starts, slowly, to somehow "record" its new structures in kosmos, trying to leave a mark in a kind of morfogenetic field so that others that come next can follow that mark (like water being guided into new chanels).

What I have called phase 1 is actually making that mark more and more profound, up to having (as he used to say) a Grand Canyon in which water could easily be guided (phase 2).

But going into phase 2 (opening the water gate) without doing the phase 1 work will do all that water come over the little mark and simply erase it.

I'm afraid that could happen. In fact I have a strong intuition about this that scares me, and was that, and no other thing, the "bad feeling" I reported these last couple of days.

I feel mean green is now INSIDE integral. As a virus. In our intent to let exiting-green people come, we created something very strange: Green that calls itself integral.

Is not any more that mean green rise against Integral with their Postmodern flags. That's ok and natural. But now they are starting to use Integral flags! They are starting to say "I'm not postmodern! I'm Integral just like you...just different".

You see? In my eyes this is the mean green meme waters entering into a very weak channel and starting to erase it.

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The teal, safe club for speaking freely integral (like naming green green, which is a natural expression at teal level, or like critizicing orange-green-blue VIEWS, which is natural, and desirable, at teal stage, which is NOT supposed to integrate all VIEWS but all STRUCTURES and to throw away the views) is starting to dissapear.

We cannot express here safely anymore. And it's pretty unfair, cause at the interview-audio-video level you have many monologues or dialogs speaking freely at a teal and more altitude. But at the community level those same ideas and tones cannot be spoken. You are critiziced right away by the mean green meme that now calls itself integral.

I would suggest that there is a huge quantity of phase 1 work to do before opening the water gates.

I am not suggesting to go all together into the forest and build our teal community there for some 20 years (what green did in many ways, and is not really a bad idea but...)

We don't need to go that far. But at least we need a clear Teal (or higher) space.

We need to be able to say what we naturally feel, INCLUDING our disgust (and vomiting) with other views including Green ones (and green that call itself Integral ones).

That's more or less, my view.

In the following days/weeks I will try to word this in a more proper/ordered manner. This is more like "what comes out" now.

For the record, the most hitted person of all this, I believe, is Ken; because mean green hates beings like Ken Wilber; and from the inside of the Integral community, a lot of damage to him can be done, as, in my view, this audio by Thompson represents: a mean, low, disgusting adolescent conversation about one of the biggest genious of our time.

 Thank you Maria for your kind comment.

Are you Italian?

Hope the time/climate is better that in Normandy at this time! :-)

Take much care,

Peace and love,

Federico

To have such a wife :)

Every time you name her you sum up a little to my hope of finding "her" sometime ("her" who

I am looking for since so long! "I miss you, and I don't even know your name; I miss you and I didn't even found you" says a song I wrote 10 years ago)

Thanks Stefano and god bless you for finding each other!!!!!!!

Bow to both

Federico