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How real post-conventional morals look like

Is actually very simple:

Pre conventional morals: you cheat your wife, since you do whatever the fuck you want and whatever gives you pleasure

Conventional: you do not cheat your wife...since so doing with make you lose security, a secure sexual partner and the support of her, and most importantly because you will be seen as corrupt by your traditional community according to fixed precepts.

Post-Conventional morals: You do not cheat your wife, NOT because of traditional beliefs hold tight by your tradition or because of fear of something you may lose, but because you can put yourself in her shoes and imagine how it may feel to be cheated. You can put yourself in the shoes of your casual partner and feel how it feels to be the "second one". You can feel your own heart of hearts and discover that deep inside, beside any bliss of the moment, you are causing yourself more pain than bliss in the long run.

In other words, it only gets MORE MORAL with post-conventional morals. Not LESS moral.

You do the same thing a conventional person would do, but you don't do it because someone is ordering you to do it, but because you understand the true meaning of such conventions, why they were created, what are they protecting, what is the deep meaning of them.

While some conventions are irrational and perpetuated just for bad, MANY of them were imparted by people at post-conventional level of understanding (Jesus, for instance) as a way for less evolved people to yet keep a good karmik track.

When you transcend to post-conventional morals, you can see the deep structure and the inner works of those moral precepts. You can embrace them even MORE, now not because someone say it, but because you chose it and undesrtand it deeply.

Sure, some conventions you will chose to NOT follow.

But, in general lines, and particularly in our age of trans-cultural mix and check in, we have came to a deeper knowledge of which of our conventions are just cultural garbage, and which represent deep psychological or even spiritual insights to be protected since they are the same no matter when, no matter who, no matter where.

Cheat someone in anything (money, sex, whatever) and the person will suffer. "You shall not cheat" comes from there. You are conventional? you take that as a fixed rule, you do not even think of it. You are POST conventional? You reflect deeply on it and after years you see why someone came to that conclusion in the first place. Sometimes, on the basis of (often painful) experience, others thanks to the graceful advice of developmental elders.

I think some people completely missunderstand what post-conventional morals mean, and they keep confusing people with this. According to this confused and uneducated standards, it would seem like Ken Wilber, who (to my knowledge) never cheated or never was interested in polyamory, or a person like Augustus Masters, defending ferociously the transcendent nature of mature monogamy, would be conventional moralists. And someone that is just losing depth for span choosing many partners over the deep (and difficult!) commitment to one, and even cheating on those...would be a post-conventional moralist...

All that of course is just uneducated confusion.

I hope this post may offer a better, more accurate view of what post-conventional morals are.

With love,

Federico

 

 

 

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Nicely written. Nice to see you back. Maybe we will have a more moral community with more people like you around. Where have you been?