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Gross-subtle-causal vs. sat-chit-ananda - a question and a formulation

Posted February 8th, 2010 by GameOfThriving
In Reference to:
The Kosmos Trilogy, Vol. II, Excerpt G: Towards a Comprehensive Theory of Subtle Energies

 Can anyone can point me to resources about how these two sets of ideas relate to one another in integral theory.  

Standard Model
gross
subtle
causal
non-dual - which is sat-chit-ananda being-consciousness-bliss.

My personal understanding is that 1) sat/being - 2) chit/consciousness - 3) ananda-bliss are the pure/telos realization of the 3 fundamental dimensions of experience, 1) gross 2) subtle 3)causal. like this:

gross is the dimension of stuff/ground, whose ultimate/simple realization is Sat/Being, and whose ignorance is Maya/illusion.
subtle is the dimension of mind/noos, whose ultimate/simple realization is Chit/Consciousness, and whose ignorance is shame/identification.
causal is the dimension of phenomenology/self, whose ultimate/simple realization is Ananda/Bliss, and whose ignorance is despair/suffering.

or

Dual                             Non-Dual
Ignorance                     Realization         - ends of the spectrum on each dimension
Maya <------------------>Sat              - dimension of stuff/ground
Shame <----------------->Chit             - dimension of mind/noos
Despair <---------------->Ananda        - dimension of phenomenology/self

What do y'all think? Does this map over? Does it clarify anything for you?

Mark

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funny - the phrase "three sides of the koan" came to mind - I like it!

Posted February 8th, 2010 by GameOfThriving

"what is the gross/subtle/causal sound of one hand clapping?"

I include this link to the song "two sides of the coin" at my own peril. I am a child of the 80's after all...

http://popup.lala.com/popup/433190040757027201

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Mark Michael Lewis - The Thrive Coach - Know Your Purpose. Build True Wealth. Love the Journey. - http://GameOfThriving.com - http://OptimalHumanValues.com

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Good Question

Posted February 8th, 2010 by Stanley

I don't know of any resources but I could describe what came to me. It is like I am in deep sleep in a dark empty movie theater (causal). My nature is of bliss and undivided love. (ananda). But I don't know this because there is no seperate I to know it. Even if I did know this I probably would not want to sit alone all day in a dark empty movie theater.

Then a holographic movie starts with beautiful and ugly images. These images spark off thoughts in my brain. (subtle - chit,consciousness). The dark empty bliss filled theater is still there but I am focused on the images and thoughts. After a while these mere images and thoughts cease to satisify and I desire something more solid.

The lights come on and I remember that that I have a body and I am with others who have bodies. (gross - existence). We go out and have dinner. But I can't really enjoy my dinner. I am haunted by thoughts and images of the past and future (subtle/ consciousness). I get drunk to dull the pain and wake up some time later in a dark and empty movie theartre. And so it spins round and round and round.

It need not go like this. Existence and consciousness can be love/bliss and gross and subtle can be causal.