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Capitalism and Integral Theory
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An integral version of economics 101. . .
Posted September 30th, 2009 by Charles BowlingHi Greg,
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Cheer up
Posted October 1st, 2009 by Alan SatoI wouldn't hold such a glum viewpoint. After all, Obama is championing medical coverage for all Americans. Thus, as 2nd tier thinking moves into the government, we will see much more compassionate incarnations such as this. The change since the industrial revolution has been to become more and more compassionate. That goes naturally with a wider scope of consideration. The historical trend is that the scope is widening.
Eventually, capitalism may end up becoming communism. It's trend is to get there eventually.
My personal gripe with capitalism is the lack of accountability. CEO's of corporations can make decisions that adversely affect millions with complete impunity. Take for example the pharmaceutical industry or the tobacco industry.
Also, it is biased too heavily on money. Other things, such as compassion currently have no place in the model. Integral is working to change that. But a realistic change of the model will require that the analysts overcome their dysfunctions and operate from a freely-flowing compassionate embodiment. We're a long ways off from that.
So I wouldn't necessarily say that Capitalism is bad. The people are bad. The Soviet Union used socialism, and that didn't work out so well. Long term stability brings about healing of dysfunctions and positive change. Are we not all spiritual beings? And is Spirit not fully embodied compassion? If mankind survives, it will ultimately express that compassion.
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A Quick Fix?
Posted October 1st, 2009 by Alan SatoAs a quick fix to capitalism, one could introduce accountability into the system.
China does that. I heard a story that a Chinese toy company released a toy that had a piece that broke off and some babies choked and died. The Chinese government executed the CEO of that company. At red, 1st person level of concern, punishment is a compelling preventative.
Who would be a CEO for the tobacco industry then? No one. Except someone with a death wish. Every farmer, CEO, etc... would be executed for their crimes against mankind. The tobacco industry, which is fueled by greed, would utterly collapse. (But it would still go on illegally in less developed countries.)
Another idea, completely unrelated to the above: defenders of Capitalism will say that your "greed" is merely a shadow of your competitive nature. Our 1st person concern gives birth to personal greatness, to great leaders. Capitalism fosters people such as President Obama. Once you start confining anything, you confine the good with the bad, when the bad is the problem. We need to heal the bad, and the problem goes away.
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It's up to us; and, Ruining or Evolving?
Posted January 18th, 2010 by Katin ImesHello Greg & Namaste!
Thank you for blogging and sharing. I think it helps a great deal to read about other people's perspectives, and you've got a fascinating combination of background and looking. At least, especially fascinating to me since I wrestle with many of the same areas and background, and I feel we've shared some spiritual trails.
The quote I want to respond to is:
"Pope Benedict asks economists to come up with a new world financial system that takes into account the rights and needs of the poor and disadvantaged in the world because greed is ruining us, spiritually and materially."
I'm not sure economists are the ones to ask. From my studies of money and finance, these things are just tools. Huge tools, complex tools, system-managed tools and critical tools, yes, but money and finance are still tools invented by man to be used by man.
Asking economists to come up with a financial system that limits greed and victims is rather like asking a knifemaker to create a knife that limits murder. The abuses of the tools will decline and cease as man transforms and evolves past the perceptions and practices of greed. As we become kind, loving, caring and world-smart as a people, our economy will become the same.
The catch-22 here is that most people are caring and kind. The problems are (1) education around money, (2) our agreements around money (from way back), and (3) those under 1% of folks who aren't so caring and kind at this time and will abuse anything and anyone. In the meantime, those three factors are creating more people who believe that greed is a basic form of survival, corrupting many who would have been fine otherwise. So the question is, if we could redesign the financial system to be in alignment with 99% of the population's needs and attitudes, what would it look like?
Very, very different. Almost inconceivably different. For a fascinating look at what that might look like, check out the free online novel called "The Invisible Hand," by Larry K. Mason. (I enjoyed listening to the MP3 audio version, also free). Fiction, yes, but an affecting exploration into the possibility of what changing the basis of the money system can do. This book is a real brain-bender, so be warned.
The system described in that book is just one possibility. There are many other wonderful systems of equitable trade tools without useary that have been designed, discussed, documented in books and that even have software systems written and working. Yet, all of these systems are marginalized, ignored or even outlawed. Why?
It isn't the economists that we need to work on. It is the politicians and bankers that we need to convince to get going on evolving on the financial systems. Or, maybe it is just us, normal everyday people that need to learn and evolve our standards around financial understanding. Either way, it's a huge task.
We already have the technology and system designs for new financial systems and economies. Humanity just hasn't evolved past the lizard-brain influence of greed yet. It may take a few million years for us to stop seeing a knife as a handy murder weapon as well as a basic tool for living.
Thanks again for your blog and these online conversations. :)








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Definition of Capitalism
Posted September 29th, 2009 by Jonathan Cobb"Capitalism" and "socialism" are such loaded terms, they can be interpreted to be just about anything these days. I certainly oppose the reckless, speculative "Casino capitalism" that we've seen over the past couple decades. But if one thinks of capitalism in terms of private property and a market economy, I'm all for that. This is why I think there's a lot of talk in the Integral community about "conscious capitalism."