Quadrants & Quadrivia, a frequent confusion in IT

I'm reposting this for general discussion, because, well, I'm a theory wonk, and I love the subtlety available in Integral Theory.

Below is a reply to Stefano called "Orange and Up" on the thread integrallife.com/member/rick-moede/blog/requesting-help-understanding-integral-christianity.

I think my comment is general enough for anyone to follow without reading the original posts.

Hi Stefano,

You said:

"And I think maybe that, whilst we can disparage people for thinking they are "rational" and "Christians", once you're orange or green or yellow, you just SEE the world through that lens, and therefore "Christianity" simply becomes automatically orange or green for that person because that's the lens that is enacting it in that person."

I come across this error in thinking frequently in Integral discourse. In any relational transaction, there are TWO elements you must take into account, the SUBJECTIVE lens of the examiner (the quadrant) and the OBJECTIVE aspect of the holon being examined (the Quadrivium).

In your example an old lady  at the rational level is observing an (imaginary) Christian fundamentalist's literal faith.This old lady is using the structuralist lens (the outside observation of the inside of a fundamentalist Christian's person's experience in the UR). In this case the lens (UL structuralist) is focussed on a person's behaviour, their belief, which is in the UR quadrivium of the object being focussed on. A straigtforward transaction.

Now the error comes in your generalisation that "Christianity", which I'm going to put in the LR as a behavioural system, is necessarily viewed as rational or above by someone at that level. Not so. This is conflating the lens with the quadrivium, the perspective looked through with the aspect looked at. They are not at all the same thing. One can rationally analyze the Amber aspect of Christianity in the LR (which is what Liberal atheists have such fun doing) or rationally analyze Matthew Fox's Green aspect of Creation spirituality. The former is Orange viewing Blue, the latter is Orange viewing Green.

See my point?