Breathtaking

                   It's difficult to grasp the big picture of planet Earth.   Seven billion people are on this planet, yet perhaps only a billion (and that's being generous) are in a position where their life conditions and level of consciousness grant them the opportunity to advance significantly closer to the second tier.   As I listened to Ken and Richard discuss the urgency of truly transforming the world from an ethnocentric to a worldcentric level in the arena of  "The Five Literacies in Global Leadership" I kept thinking of the distribtion of consciousness today.   As Ken as often remarked it is a mystery as to what propels a human being from one level of consciousness to another; most people tend to remain at their adult level of consciousness throughout their lifetime.     There seemed to be an edge of deseperaton in Ken's voice, a kind of doomsday collapse of the world if our antiquated ways of Newtonian materialism and nationalism are not quickly overcome.   And yet as Wilber has said over and over again in so many of his books and lectures, people evolve at their own rate and must procede sequentially through the levels, i. e. they cannot skip from say the red meme to the orange meme without passing through the mythic/traditional to the rational first.   Ken seems to be pleading with "the world" or at least the leadership of the world to become aware, to witness what is happening and respond...by becoming more consciousness.   Yet how do we truly change nationalistic/competitive consciousess into a world/Kosmic view...even within ten or twenty years?  Barack Obama is certainly as close to a second-tier leader as we have ever had in this country.   Perhaps a handfull of other leaders throughout the world are there also, but most of the "leaders" of the planet's two hundred plus nation-states are embedded in tribal/warlike and traditional worldviews.   I'm all for Wilber's mission to transform planet Earth to a world/Kosmic worldview, but the Kosmos works at a slow pace (at least relative to the human time line).   

               I've always had mixed feeling about Ken Wilber.   I love him, I love his integral approach but his "sub-personalities, his lower chakra ego" often leaks out from his "higher levels".....   I have always tried to balance the Eckhart Tolle approach of almost total renunication of thought with Wilber's more intellectual and all-embracing Kosmic view.   In any case,  keep up the great work Ken Wilber! Most of us on the planet are constantly working/struggling with our id, our ego, our desire to go down the Nile...with the world bowing down before us....

mwprim

                   It's difficult to grasp the big picture of planet Earth.   Seven billion people are on this planet, yet perhaps only a billion (and that's being generous) are in a position where their life conditions and level of consciousness grant them the opportunity to advance significantly closer to the second tier.   As I listened to Ken and Richard discuss the urgency of truly transforming the world from an ethnocentric to a worldcentric level in the arena of  "The Five Literacies in Global Leadership" I kept thinking of the distribtion of consciousness today.   As Ken as often remarked it is a mystery as to what propels a human being from one level of consciousness to another; most people tend to remain at their adult level of consciousness throughout their lifetime.     There seemed to be an edge of deseperaton in Ken's voice, a kind of doomsday collapse of the world if our antiquated ways of Newtonian materialism and nationalism are not quickly overcome.   And yet as Wilber has said over and over again in so many of his books and lectures, people evolve at their own rate and must procede sequentially through the levels, i. e. they cannot skip from say the red meme to the orange meme without passing through the mythic/traditional to the rational first.   Ken seems to be pleading with "the world" or at least the leadership of the world to become aware, to witness what is happening and respond...by becoming more consciousness.   Yet how do we truly change nationalistic/competitive consciousess into a world/Kosmic view...even within ten or twenty years?  Barack Obama is certainly as close to a second-tier leader as we have ever had in this country.   Perhaps a handfull of other leaders throughout the world are there also, but most of the "leaders" of the planet's two hundred plus nation-states are embedded in tribal/warlike and traditional worldviews.   I'm all for Wilber's mission to transform planet Earth to a world/Kosmic worldview, but the Kosmos works at a slow pace (at least relative to the human time line).   

               I've always had mixed feeling about Ken Wilber.   I love him, I love his integral approach but his "sub-personalities, his lower chakra ego" often leaks out from his "higher levels".....   I have always tried to balance the Eckhart Tolle approach of almost total renunication of thought with Wilber's more intellectual and all-embracing Kosmic view.   In any case,  keep up the great work Ken Wilber! Most of us on the planet are constantly working/struggling with our id, our ego, our desire to go down the Nile...with the world bowing down before us....

mwprim

                   It's difficult to grasp the big picture of planet Earth.   Seven billion people are on this planet, yet perhaps only a billion (and that's being generous) are in a position where their life conditions and level of consciousness grant them the opportunity to advance significantly closer to the second tier.   As I listened to Ken and Richard discuss the urgency of truly transforming the world from an ethnocentric to a worldcentric level in the arena of  "The Five Literacies in Global Leadership" I kept thinking of the distribtion of consciousness today.   As Ken as often remarked it is a mystery as to what propels a human being from one level of consciousness to another; most people tend to remain at their adult level of consciousness throughout their lifetime.     There seemed to be an edge of deseperaton in Ken's voice, a kind of doomsday collapse of the world if our antiquated ways of Newtonian materialism and nationalism are not quickly overcome.   And yet as Wilber has said over and over again in so many of his books and lectures, people evolve at their own rate and must procede sequentially through the levels, i. e. they cannot skip from say the red meme to the orange meme without passing through the mythic/traditional to the rational first.   Ken seems to be pleading with "the world" or at least the leadership of the world to become aware, to witness what is happening and respond...by becoming more consciousness.   Yet how do we truly change nationalistic/competitive consciousess into a world/Kosmic view...even within ten or twenty years?  Barack Obama is certainly as close to a second-tier leader as we have ever had in this country.   Perhaps a handfull of other leaders throughout the world are there also, but most of the "leaders" of the planet's two hundred plus nation-states are embedded in tribal/warlike and traditional worldviews.   I'm all for Wilber's mission to transform planet Earth to a world/Kosmic worldview, but the Kosmos works at a slow pace (at least relative to the human time line).   

               I've always had mixed feeling about Ken Wilber.   I love him, I love his integral approach but his "sub-personalities, his lower chakra ego" often leaks out from his "higher levels".....   I have always tried to balance the Eckhart Tolle approach of almost total renunication of thought with Wilber's more intellectual and all-embracing Kosmic view.   In any case,  keep up the great work Ken Wilber! Most of us on the planet are constantly working/struggling with our id, our ego, our desire to go down the Nile...with the world bowing down before us....

mwprim

Dear Daruma.

Three questions: Is it terrifying - or are you just a person, that is easier than average to terrify?

And will you please define "average person"? 

I mean - if Ken Wilber qualifies as an average person, according to your definition, please mention a couple of persons, that are not average. Am I wrong in assuming that your definition is one, where all humans in the flesh are average? - since your only hint of a counterexample seems to be a parody "Great Leader"?

I don't call it flat; I only ask: If your idea of average is that every human that is real is average - then what is the third dimension of your thinking? :-)

Dear Daruma.

Three questions: Is it terrifying - or are you just a person, that is easier than average to terrify?

And will you please define "average person"? 

I mean - if Ken Wilber qualifies as an average person, according to your definition, please mention a couple of persons, that are not average. Am I wrong in assuming that your definition is one, where all humans in the flesh are average? - since your only hint of a counterexample seems to be a parody "Great Leader"?

I don't call it flat; I only ask: If your idea of average is that every human that is real is average - then what is the third dimension of your thinking? :-)