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Posted July 23rd, 2010 by Jennifer Grove in Interiors
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Evolving Our Approach to Sexual HarassmentMy brain is paralyzed by too much activity about all this. The issue that is up in front of the traffic jam is that both women and men are seen here as monolithic beings who have only one location on the "psychograph". This is a mistake. And I think this mistake is made primarily because they are using the lens of Law to look at the whole issue. And that is the first mistake which causes a chain reaction of mistakes.
Only late in the conversation did they even touch on the issue of respect and how that would make all of this nit-picking kindof moot. Respect makes Law unnecessary or redundant. So, which way do they want it? If they're gonna talk about it from the standpoint of Law, then they don't get to bring in respect. If they want to discuss respect, then they need to drop the Legal Eagle posturing.
In my opinion, Law exists to be a 3rd Party space holder for power disputes. Power disputes exist in the lower 3 chakras, or the 1st Tier world. As long as one person or one portion of a person involved in a dispute is operating in either of those realms, then Law can and should be engaged. Law cannot trade in respect. Not even in self-respect. And they are asking both women and men to grow in self-respect. This is a good goal. But for most of us, we still engage in power struggles for some reason and often those reasons are that a power imbalance is being experienced by someone. Interior or Exterior. It doesn't matter. As long as someone is experiencing a power imbalance in all or some portion of their self, Law is the correct tool to get the job done. Asking them to simply have more self-respect is not the solution. Lack of self-respect may be only part of the problem. It's not right to expect self-respect to solve the entire problem.
They are talking about embeddedness again.
Lets say some or all of a person may be experiencing a power imbalance. I believe that the correct way to go about that is to draw attention to the interior power imbalance without shaming them. Diane's attitude of challenge and telling someone that they are "full of it" can do just as much if not more damage to the person who is embedded as Ken saying "bitch" at just the right/wrong moment. Doing Shadow work does not mean, "Hey! Look at how you're a hypocrite!" That has never worked before. It isn't likely to work now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that 3-2-1 was developed precisely because direct confrontation with someone about their blind-spot is unskillful and uncompassionate. Enough with the blame-game.
So, without the "cross examination" attitude, opening a space for truth about how one is experiencing a power imbalance both inside and outside is the place to start. Bring awareness to the entire situation and show how complex it is. Then from there, reframe it to be a lack of respect, both inside and outside. At that point it becomes possible to see how all parties involved are participating in a giant disrespectful dance with both themselves and everyone else.
After all, anyone who is exerting power over another unprovoked, is in effect broadcasting to the world that they have no self-respect. They don't believe that anyone would cooperate with them simply because they like them or are kind people. This is why fear is fused with respect at the lower levels of development. True Self-respect doesn't show up until later in the game.
The reason the Feminine power appears to "hide" in the Law (unnecessary polemic) is because the Law was designed to champion the underdog and balance power differentials. Law is a Blue invention. Before Blue is Red. Using the Law to stop Red abuses of power from wrecking your life is not "hiding". It is Justice.
There's a reason for the phrase "fight like a girl". We use tactics that don't rely on f2f direct power competition. Because that wouldn't be fair. Men would win. We "play below the net". We hit below the belt. We pull hair and gouge eyes. And we'll use someone else's power to attack our opponent. This is how women even the playing field.
What makes it Shadow isn't that we use the Law or whatever other tactic. What makes it Shadow is that we aren't bringing awareness to it as violent power. I've seen women "Ground-hog-day"ed (legal term for people who are dragged into court over and over and over again by an opponent for some stupid crap in order to keep them poor and exhausted) by ex-husbands who want the kids for no other reason than because they don't want the woman to have them.
I've brought my awareness to my impulse to exert violent power and have intentionally committed acts that hurt but did no real harm, and now I know I have power and that I am willing and able to be violent (today, my opponent and I deeply love each other and remember that day with an odd fondness). I have no shame residue about this because my identity was engaged.
Before that, I had actually committed the harmful acts but in what felt like self-defense and complete helplessness. I didn't want to be a violent person. I suppressed it and suppressed it until I felt completely cornered and provoked. Then I blew apart and something completely unlike "me" came out. I felt totally helpless the whole time. Like there was no way out. To this day, I feel violated by this event because I was pushed to the point of violating my own standards of conduct by someone who was supposed to "love" me. When I saw any kind of authority or Law that I could have appealed to to make the insane disrespect I was putting up with stop, I took that route. But there was no Law and no Authority willing to teach him how to respect me. There was no way to even the playing field. I was being completely exploited and abandoned with no recourse. I still have a shame hangover from this because my identity was violated, but I'll never show it. That would be letting him win.
This is a valid and genuine experience. It's not the only perspective. But I cannot allow anyone to take it from me without first dealing with the provocation. I will not. There literally is no prison term or electric chair that could convince me to apologize to him for what I did unless he came clean about his issues first. That is the kind of situation that Law is designed to resolve, but because it is an Interior felt sense of disrespect, the Law cannot resolve it.
I just don't think either Ken or Diane pulled the thing apart cleanly enough to distinguish what was real Shadow and what was merely violent Self-defense. Simply calling it "ugly" or "not beautiful" is not good enough. The underdog will get ugly when it is disrespected, and the higher we develop and more kinds of respect and Love we are capable of giving and receiving, the more disrespect is possible to perceive. Do they think this problem is going to get better by "calling women out" on their Shadow?
I don't.
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Posted July 23rd, 2010 by Sebastian StarkHey There
I have some criticism, but before I come to it I want to tell you that I like the stuff you wrote a lot. Very Much. The spirit. My criticism is mainly based on my projections, Ive come to know 2 or 3 girls with similar attitudes(all exgirlfriends with whom I am still connected today, discussing these issues a lot)
I think you are not correct, because there is a defense of victim position here.
At the beginning you say: It doesnt help a person to be hurt by touching there blindspots, thats not how it works. Then
you write: Ive harmed other people, Ive done it because it was good to me.
To me that smells like Egocontrolled bigottry and weakness of character. You dont want to be hurt AND the others should care, while it is absolutely OK if you hurt other people. You see the dissonance?
Feeling helpless is sth you often do if you dream about being the greatest, because as you obviously cant, you feel helpless. Than you say: I feel bad(helpless) and its there fault.
Seen from an enlightenend perspective, you are responsible for everything, always. There is no "him". Thats just an excuse for narcisism. At least thats my experience.
Ive been fighting with my girl(my relationship right now) over this for months, until she really broke down crying about herself because she realized she hated herself so much for being insanely narcicist(I had the same going for me years ago, and still some how every day, but the first time realizatiuon of what it means to be a narcicist is the most painfull,. the ocean of boilling blood beside, visited for the first time), and she didnt find the place inside her to stop, until we created a context for the impulses that went through her, finding that she should actually see these impusles in a consctructuve and evolutionary feminist way, and should stop to get trapped in the trap of postmodern pseudofeminism.(Here Victim position forming into a"proCare/LoveRespect" position on a collective level, not concerned with past failing as a base to point your finger, but on future potentials of global sisterhood etc. Thats a massive difference)
Pseudofeminsim
Which tells you that as women you can effortlessy get everything and if things dont work out its his fault.(its basically a narcisism movement, like so many 60ties movements had a parallel pro-narcicism version of themselves)
In reality, this is anti-emancipative. Everything taking the responsibility away form you is anti-emacipative. You are just afraifd of the task ahead of you. Rather stay in the past for revenge so one can play the victim than surrender as a servant of the goddess helping the unfolding of the next stages of humanity.
Often I find that some action ways are double-lead: by the ego and the higher self.
F.Ex. I love the intensity in your writing. I think this is authentic self, or higher, whatever. Than I see the"but I will not, I dont want, no, never" blabla part. Thats the ego to me, not the energy, but the content, cringing in fornt of its own isight, permamently making up things so you can feel alright with yourself. And thats nothing about you, not at all. Its a common mind state.
Hope that makes some sense to you, my mind immidiately snapped. And yes, I do think it makes more sense to hurt people fast than to slowly get them on the way. Sure. What else. As long as you wish to feel comfortable, absolutely nothing can be done for your transformation.
Where is the line between being unwilling to take selfresponsibility and asking respect?
BTW: Unless you were born in the ghetto(like me, but somehow I didnt get dumb!) only holdiung your head down by yourself is making you feel like an underdog. Its a choice, at least today. And if by underdog you mean women, well, that lack of respect than : ), for sure. Morals?
Very curious about what youll answer. I hope I was not to hardhitting, i am into this theme since sometime, and I dont unravel my thoughts unless I have a woman in front me making me feel like she could be strong enough to make something extraordinary. Maybe
Sending you warm smiles.