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Communication and the Integral Knife

In the introduction to his book Integral Consciousness, Steve McIntosh tells us that “…the most useful aspect of the integral way of seeing things is how it actually increases the scope of our awareness.”

 

This might prompt you to ask, “then how can we speak of an Integral Knife?” After all a knife edge is narrow and its point is sharp, and the integral world view is broad and deep. But this is to miss the value of integral in application.

 

The value of integral in application is not just the greater scope of awareness; it also includes the capacity for added details. Integral does not lose site of the trees for the forest. In fact it is with the sharpened focus of integral that we can more easily spot where and when potential problems may arise in any particular field or endeavor we choose to view from an integral perspective.

 

It is with this in mind that Shalk and I have agreed to explore how, “using Integral as a knife of discriminating awareness” might help us “to get as clear as we can” so that “our communication can be uplifted”.

 

In is in this spirit that we start this inquiry and we want to invite all who want to participate. This is not a contest to see who knows more about integral. It is not a game of one-up-manship. This is to be an exploration. The title of this blog post is also the general category for any specific topics we may choose to turn our attention to.

 

I would like to use this opening post to solicit suggestions for our exploration. Shalk and I each have some ideas but we would like to hear from you as well. So, the question is,

 

“What aspects of integral theory seem to be most important to pay attention to in order to ensure clarity in communications?”

 

As of Sunday, Nov 9 we have two great starting points suggested below. I would still like to encourage more suggestions as comments on this main page.

But, I want to get the ball rolling on the discussion so let's use the appropriate comment sections for Shalk's and sham609's suggestion to further the discussion.

 

At some future date, I will introduce specifically titled blogs to continue the discussion started here.

 

 

 

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Interesting topic guys. I'm currently reading a book on non-violent communication, and so your inquiry is of particular interest to me. So to start this off I would say one important aspect of effective communication within AQAL model is being aware of the general stage of development of the "other" you are engaging. A simplistic example from my personal experience revolved around discussing religious issues with my amber, evangelical Christian mother-in-law. We used to get into some rather heated discussions regarding homosexuality/gay marriage, abortion, etc. In the past I generally approached these topics from an orange/green perspective, and she simply couldn't accept what I was saying. However, I am learning how to talk the amber talk, and by using the imagery of the loving/accepting Christ in my discussion with her we can actually have much more fruitful dialogue.

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If there is an opening for Indigo and beyond, then it's logical that the goal is to pioneer this path. This is approachable with a system that allows for it's possibility, that allows for itself to unfold, that allows for itself to be replaced.  If all quadrants are attuned and working, the dimension procreates and appears within the embodiment of itself.

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Integral Communication

Schalk, Jerry, et al,

If you haven't read it yet, you might be interested in the following graduate thesis by Integral writer, Adam Leonard:

Integral Communication

I haven't finished reading it yet, but I think it is helpful and worth studying...

Best wishes,

B.

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Re: Communication and the Integral Knife

Jerry,


I've really enjoyed this thread and the questions you, Schalk, and others have raised.  This is a subject I've been interested in and have explored in a number of ways for awhile.  If you're interested, here's a blog entry I did on potential ways Integral Theory (and other integrative models, such as Raimon Panikkar's) can contribute to the current atheist-theist discussions and debates that are raging around the New Atheists:  Raimon Panikkar and the New Atheists.  In particular, Panikkar has an approach he calls diatopical hermeneutics, where "diatopical" means "across spaces" -- an idea which I think is especially relevant to the question of Integral communication.  Because, from an Integral perspective, we are called to recognize that, in our meaning-making, we are frequently making meaning across various spaces -- developmental, perspectival, cultural, etc.  How are we to do so effectively, compassionately, intelligently?  We cannot assume we all share a given reality; that our modes of meaning-making are the same for everyone.  Panikkar offers a few tools for this form of inter-cultural dialogue, if you are interested in checking out my blog (or, better, his work!).  What Integral brings, among other things, is a powerful lens for helping us to recognize the various types of spaces (in addition to the cultural) that we are called to navigate in our communications and our attempts to share understanding.


You have already mentioned the validity claims associated with each of the quadrant perspectives.  In relation to this topic, I think I would personally benefit from doing a deeper study of Habermas' work.  Habermas' writings on communicative ethics is one of the inspirations behind Wilber's four-quadrant formulation, after all...  But in general, I think it is important just to point to the ethical dimension of actually making these distinctions ... of being mindful of the type of discourse we are engaged in, and not attempting to impose the norms or expectations of one mode of discourse on another, just as Schalk has pointed out.  This doesn't mean that, if someone is talking objectively (truth), we shouldn't feel free to raise questions or issues that are more subjective.  We can!  The suggestion is not to divide ourselves up into little cubicles and never look over our playpen walls!  Rather, the ethical concern is just that we try to be mindful of when we do so.


David Bohm sometimes talks about learning to develop "proprioception of thought."  In normal (physical, somatic) proprioception, we naturally "track" the movements and the positions of our bodies.  Sitting here, I know where my legs are, where my arms are, what they are doing, etc -- without much effort.  But in thinking and talking, which are subtler exercises, we sometimes (often!) "forget" where we are.  We are to some degree unconscious, unaware, of the ways we "range about" and move in our thought, the ways we cross into different perspectival territories (each of which involves its own validity claims, has its own concerns, etc), the ways we enact different realities (different perspectival horizons), and so on -- and when we are so unconscious, we tend to sew discord and confusion. 


As Wilber points out, we free a paradigm by limiting it.  Do we also free modes of discourse by limiting them?  I think we do.  Someone can make a poetic, spiritual utterance, ecstatically celebrating an interior illumination.  Should this be discounted or devalued because the claim cannot be scientifically, objectively verified?  People try to do this all the time -- but this is an example of quadrant confusion, which includes failure to recognize a particular mode of discourse (and its areas of concern).  But similarly, we should not attempt to indiscriminately apply the ecstatic spiritual utterance, either -- treating it as an objective truth claim, giving us "empirical" information about "external"/3p reality.  People try to do this all the time, too.  With better AQAL awareness, better proprioception of thought and perspective-taking, perhaps we can avoid some of these abuses of our various forms of meaning-making and the confusion and misunderstanding they often lead to.


If you are interested, I just posted an old blog of mine on Integral Deep Dialogue a few moments ago in response to your inquiry.  I also started a thread on the Multiplex on the subject of "conscious language evolution," looking at the limitations that may be inherent in our current forms of communication (including deep structural things like grammar) and considering how we might begin to address them, from an Integral perspective.  I may post that here later too.


Best wishes,


Balder

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An example

I was listening to an interview yesterday, and this stood out:

..."Waking up to the world of emptiness and living it fully in the world of form."

This comes close to the 'clear cut view' I posted a few days ago.  The world of emptiness

is the allowance for space.  The world of form is the embodiment and the living it fully is

the unfolding of creativity, procreating.

This emptiness has no limits, no force other than it's own space.

Infinite possibilities while remaining empty.