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Where is Integral Post-Metaphysics?

This blog entry evolved from my response to Ken Wilber's article, "A Narrative on Guruji," You can find here: http://integrallife.com/member/corey-devos/blog/narrative-guruji-ken-wilber#comment-77145

What I was concerned about was the extraordinary claim of the article--Being able to eliminate viral/bacterial agents through the "blessing", and the relative lack of links, videos, photographs with the article entry. I am concerned because in the past I have read Wilber's lavish extolling of Adi Da, which he later regretted, and Wilber continues to use Adi Da as an example of Line/Level fallacy. But as a reader of Integralworld, which have articles by amateurs, critics, aspiring integral scholars, there's been a worry, a legitimate worry about the association with Andrew Cohen. * I am worried that Integral is heading in different directions that I anticipated. I am worried that one day I will no longer call myself integral. I yearn to be assuaged of this worry. I yearn to know that Integral, indeed, was as I was so enraptured with 5 years ago, will become the knowledge framework for the New Human. 

 

quote: "viral loads in mammals are reduced by up to 99.8% (including hepatitis b and c and cytomegalovirus)"

 

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Indeed, I was quite surprised by this article, as it is the first time that I've seen Wilber supporting what could be seen as just another NEW-AGE guru performing magic. The reason I was first attracted to Wilber's philosophy was the relative lack of unprovable metaphysics (in the Popper sense) and the more sane discussion of contemplation, meditation, and the possibility of classical enlightenment as sustained awareness in deep dreamless sleep. 

 An Integrally-informed Secularist

Although I am mostly secular, I am open to phenomena that current science is not yet aware of. Indeed, I as a secularist experience a little bit of cognitive dissonance when it comes to bioenergy. Western science, unlike Chinese medicine, tends to be dismissive of bioenergy and its purported effects. In the regards of god-like power of bioenergy, indeed, I myself am quite wary of. I do not readily believe that bioenergy can cure cancer, AIDS, and whatnot. Although I would be very happy if it were able to since I, myself as a secularist,  do have conscious control over Kundalini, or Qi energy.

However, there's a problem with terminology--its signifier and its supposed referent. Bioenergy to some , maybe have the signified that is an all pervasive energy that is in plants, bacteria or even earth itself. But to me, its signified simply means that activated energy that traverses along the channels of nervous system that most scientists, who often are not introspective with regards to their own bodymind, are mostly unaware of.

Depending on the terminology, I am assuming bioenergy or orgone, is exchangeable with the term Kundalini--the energy that rises up the spine that is often highly pleasurable. Overtime, however if the individual practices, the energy can be directed, voluntarily, downward and upward the spine. and with practice, extend from top of cranium to the sole of the feet. 

I have observed that progression of voluntary control of bioenergy in my own learning. At first I was NOT able to direct Kundalini down the spine, and only up the spine. And Kundalini was limited to the spine range, and never beneath groins. Now, I am able to direct Qi directly down the thighs, and sometimes, when the energy is strong enough, it penetrates to the ankles. Currently, I've been trying to penetrate bioenergy to the arms, and have largely been unsuccessful. (I've tried to look up readings on this--to find tips to help me achieve Kundalini penetrating the arms and fingers.  unfortunately, most of the readings are plagued with metaphysical imagination and miraculous powers. In contrast, I do not assume ESP kind of power from this energy, to me, it's simply an intra-sensory reality that largely has escaped attention of Modern science. )

I was very impressed with Ken's video showing him with the EEG machine and voluntarily controlling the different mental states. I would thus call for a similar treatment for the Guruji Effect. And even in the mental states that indeed purports his claims in his earlier writings that he is able to sustain awareness even in deep dreamless sleep. This has inspired me to abandon all the previous associations I've had with the term "spiritual Englightenment," (and its perfectionist, and end-of-journey, superhuman in all facets connotations) 

I wrote the above passages to show that I am not a typical secularist. I experience lucid dreams, have conscious control over kundalini, and sometimes experience clairvoyant like states.But I am still not sure about the hard science validity of the blessing claim.  

I am well-read in quantum mechanics, string theory, general relativity... I've seen videos of savants performing mind-gobbling calculations, mnemonic feats, synaesthesia...and I do attest to the claim that "The world is not stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we CAN imagine." I am open to the idea of the blessed water, but I've also seen too many debunking of supernatural feats by people such as James Randi.

(James Randi is a skeptic magician who can perform all the same feats that ESPers claim to do. The only difference is that Randi tells you at the end that what he did did not violate the known laws of physics. Randi has offered a prize to anybody who can prove a extra-ordinary phenomenon--it is subject to repeatability, verification, falsifiablity, etc.)

(And yes, I have read the experiment about the chicken imprinting on a randomly walking robot. That to me, is a repeatable type of science, and thus justifiably can be called hard science. If I have the tools, I would really like to do the experiment myself. "something is dong we don't know what!" and that is exactly right.)

Back the the article

The claim here is that Guruji's blessing can alter the very structure of the water molecule itself and hence make the crops virus/insect free. This goes against my intuition. As I would more readily accept the claim if the study found both samples of crops to be under the same  vermin-free environment, but the blessed crops have higher growth rates. I still believe that Western science and technology are very effective when it comes to diseases of viral/bacterial agents. Where as the umbrella term holistic science, barring charlatanism and placebo effect, are very better with regards to the relative lack of side-effects when it comes to psychosomatic diseases. Integral medicine, with its precision targeting of the 4-quadrant causes of the disease, seeks to address source of the problem as beyond the conventional treatment. The last thing that I want integral community to swing toward is a claim that Shaktipat can cure Hepatitis, AIDS, malaria and other agential diseases. (However I am open to claim of the curing of psychosomatic diseases such as migraine, and possibily allergies, autoimmune diseases)

I would like to see Guruji submit an application for the Randi price. As this, if proven, would indeed earn his foundation a million dollars and a new branch of science. 

The first healthy response to such a claim, even if by a personally respected author, is to be an open-minded skeptic. 

I would like to see more links and videos. I would like to see actual data of longitudinal studies of the crops and the people that Guruji blessed. . 
 
I am currently investigating the sources of the Guruji phenomenon, and have yet to conclude its scientific validity. However, I confess to be a contemplative secularist and I am increasingly alarmed by the deviation of the post-metaphysical project of the integral community. (I understand from a business point of view to attract membership) The article above mentions altering of atoms. The question I have is, how do they know that? Is atom in the evidence shaped like a ball? But that is "ball-shaped atoms and molecules" you see in chemistry rooms are simply models and not actual atoms. Or are they more like Electronic clouds as Quantum mechanics would tell us? Where the most of the atom is empty, and distance between electron and the nucleus would be like the distance between Earth and our Sun. How in the world is the atom altered? Enlighten me. Did the research involve extra-powerful electronic microscope? Did they know the altering through indirect experiments? What's the science?
I've read the forewards of Ken Wilber lavishly praising Adi Da, whom he later had reservations, and described the Adi Da case as a Line/Level fallacy. In this article above, I am seeing the same lavish praise. Rightly so, any individual should who read both pieces should be at first, a skeptic.
 
 I have seen forum threads in Integral Life supporting  2012 doomsday prediction. Now I am having a cognitive dissonance. I have always identified myself as integral. Proud of my knowledge of such cutting-edge ideas. But if a believer in 2012 describes himself as integral, and I do not believe in 2012, then what exactly does it mean to be integral these days? With that I invite you all to reflect. And in the meanwhile seriously research the Guruji claim. In time it should be subject to the verification by the most close-minded skeptics, such as James Randi, Michael Shermer(editor of skeptic magazine). 
Again, I hope my concern is not dismissed as a case of scientism. . I invite you all to post more links to prove me wrong. In fact, I want to be wrong about my belief regarding extraordinary effects of kundalini. 
 
 
 

 

 General Concern for the Direction of Integral

This is a little bit of excursion, but I want to take the chance to express some of my concerns for the development of integral. When I first encountered it, I was so enthusiastic that I have found my community of like-minded individuals. Then I proceeded to read all of Wilber's books, and I vowed I would contribute to the Integral community through my own authoring of books.
But as the years went by, I have gradually fallen out. Not because I have come to disagree with the basic premise of integral or its ideas, but because of the following 
1)from what seems to me a deviation from the Post-metaphysics project of Wilber-V. The frequent mentioning of the word "Spirit" with capital "S" with no context as to what it means. The catering to a less skeptic community due to the sheer demographics of audience that could be interested in "expansion and elevation of human consciousness." 
2)the lack of concrete examples in the audio dialogues. I'm sure this is a common complaint amongst people who have been familiar with Integral for a long time. There is a constant repetition of content. I understand Wilber needs to introduce ideas to new audiences, but those repetition of ideas should be bolstered with concrete examples, such as the ones I provided above regarding framing. At first the integral corpus was intellectual overwhelming--so many perspectives, so many disciplines, and so many new words! Now I am underwhelmed. Now it is often redundant, and vague with basic theories but with no real examples. It would be much more intellectually stimulating if Wilber talked about the example about organ donation, the imprinted chickling and the randomly-walking-robot...
3)integral vs. not integral, and the color-talk. Initially I thought it was fine, since it's useful as a shorthand to introduce the concepts. In order to establish itself as a genuine wave of culture, it needs to critique its previous wave, so as to distance itself--so that people would not think Integral is same as Pluralistic, but better. (just as the postmodern would always do to Modernity in their calls for a post-Enlightenment project) Since my first threading in the forums of IntegralNaked, I've seen, on the forum, individuals accusing each other of NOT-BEING-INTEGRAL. The accusations takes shape like the following: "Are you sure you have made the momentous leap into 2nd tier yet? From what you have written so far, I am sure you are a GREEN." You get the idea, I'm sure you encounter this in your own forum browsing and the monkey-mind. 
As integral community expands, there are bound to be what I call "dispersal effect." Individuals taking liberties with the color-talk, and not previously informed by the "probability-wave" metaphor of the stages, not aware of the past history of labeling such as demonstrated through the Rosenhan pseudopatient experiment. Initially, in a relatively small community scattered around the globe, the ideas were used as a short-hand with the assumption that people will take them lightly, however as the ideas spread, the language becomes "reified," increasingly "literalized..." 
This dispersal effect of ideas and the consequent distortion should be a concern for the integral community. And although I still believe that Integral movement will have far more benefits than side-effects, but we should leave the integral cultural inheritance, like the metaphor Kosmic groove, as healthy as we can. 

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Indeed....

Jim,

I don't have time to respond in detail just now, but I may provide an addtional post at some point regarding this apparent endorsement of "Mr. Trivedi" by KW....

Regardless, many of your comments resonate with some of my own thoughts regarding this issue... Frankly, I have had some actual doubts about the purported authorship of the endorsement itself - some of it "sounds" like KW, but some of it does not "sound" like KW at all to me, but apparently KW at least allowed the endorsement to stand in it's current form....

JM

 

 

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Great post

 I found your blog entry when Larry Dossey's "Power of Premonitions" caught my attention and I was a bit confused about the way Ken endorsed Dossey's claims that were quite overexaggerated concerning the amount and quality of evidence. I am also seeing more and more "New Age" -type thinking in the integral community (quantum mysticism, 2012 gibberish, exaggerated claims not backed up by rigorous scientific research) which is worrisome to say at the least. Ken himself said in some interview that he has been founding many organizations that started integral (and post-metaphysical as such) and later on slided into green (and metaphysical). This often leads to aperspectival madness, all sorts of unproven theories creeping in and eventually regression into magical egocentric thinking. I'm afraid the same thing might be happening for Integral Life. Let's hope not for the Integral Movement in general. We have to have stringent standards of quality (as Roger Walsh pointed out in his "Exploring the state of the Integral Enterprise" http://integrallife.com/node/54698) if the cause of integral is to be taken further and more into the mainstream.

 

Vilho Ahola

MD, MA student in JFK Integral theory program