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In Defense of Promiscuity Part II

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"So where shall we meet," asked the Swedish girl, firm in her conviction.


"I live at the monastery," I said, "In the Catskills. Beautiful land, beautiful space. Have my own cabin on the property one mile down the monastery drive, though," I added with a smile. "Perk of being the vice-abbot."


"And you're not celibate?"


"I never sell a bit of it"


She laughed. The Zen priest made another joke.


"Seriously," she pressed.


"I'm single and uninvolved with anyone right now," I said. "I'm celibate by choice only, not by vow."


"That's good," she said.


"And you're not married or engaged or planning on getting engaged or any such things my dear?"


She shook her head. "I'll see you in a week," she said coyly, and left. I watched her lean, long form walk away, and felt into both my desire and the deep sense of play she had invoked. Who was this beautiful and bold creature who so skillfully struck at the heart of my ego, while reminding me of my deepest self? Who, I wondered, was teacher, and who was student? Was it possible a 19-year-old girl could teach something to a Zen priest nearly 30 years her senior? Was it ethical?


A week later she appeared at Dai Bosatsu, the monastery run by my abbot, Eido Shimano Roshi, 82nd Patriarch of the Rinzai Zen school. In my cabin, she sat on my bed, barefooted and crossed-legged. The physical attraction, our pheromones, and our deep mutual curiosity were perfectly aligned, sniff sniff.


"So what are our terms of endearment," I asked her. My desire for her was palpable, but my years of mind training allowed me to sit with it, although I admit it was not a comfortable sit. In order for the relationship to be clean, we had to agree on some terms, I knew, to ensure we were able to stand in and stay in integrity. What would be our terms of endearment?


She intimated she was drawn to my playfulness, wisdom, fierceness, and clarity, and I shared I was drawn to her beauty, intelligence, certainty, independence, and sexuality. Sitting and looking into each other's eyes we both saw that we could and would fall in love.


"My intention," she said slowly, chewing on the words, "Is to fall in love with you, to make love to you, and to see you whenever our schedules line up for as long as it makes sense for the two of us."


I swallowed.


"I know I'll fall in love with you," I admitted. "But I won't fall into confusion, fear, jealousy, co-dependency, hyper-autonomy, or fantasy."


"Fantasy?" she asked.


I laughed. "You're nearly 30 years younger then me. We will take no prisoners with our love, stand outside of social convention without apology, not hide what is happening between us from our community, and will respect each other's independence. This is a sexual embrace as an investigation into divine union and what it means to love another as one might love God."


"Freedom. Clarity. Honesty," she said. "I'm all chips in, Jun Po, at least until the game's over."


Over the next two years, we met 9 times. We rock climbed in the New York Shawangunk Gunk Mountains and Chamonix in the French Swiss Alps, swam in the warm waters of the Mediterranean, dined on the streets of New York and Paris, and made love passionately and with a total commitment to our agreements to one another.


We met as Zen priest and Divine Goddess, as archetypal masculine and feminine, as lover and loved, as divine and human, as giver and receiver of love. Those roles changed fluidly and frequently as we played in our divine embrace, and together we did touch the very face of God.


Yet it was not always equal, for I was her Zen Dharana concentration, her Dhyana meditation, her Asana Yoga teacher, and 30 years her senior with a lifetime more experience under my belt, and far greater insight into the Non-dual nature of our minds. In those places, I was her teacher even though she was never a formal student of mine. We were each other's sexual Tantra teachers. She spoke 5 languages, was absolutely brilliant, had lived all over the world, and she taught me about Arabic, poetry, international politics, far greater and more liberated European ideas on sexuality, and just how powerful and grounded the feminine could be. She taught me about impermanence, for while we tend to view a nearly 50-year-old man as the "lucky" one when he's with a woman half his age, that man must also live with the knowledge that such things are not meant to last. As such, she kindly and gently taught me how to love without condition, and as a true expression of Spirit. She was, then as now, never angry, nor injured, nor disempowered, nor getting from me something she could not find within herself. Our dance was a Tango of unconditional loving, a conscious mutual affair that breathed the fire and love of God directly into our hearts.


When she ended our sexual union, I was 50, she 22. She broke my heart wide-open, and when it was time for her to go, we wept — together. I could not keep her or possess her, and our dance had come to a close. She said she was "all chips in until the game was over", and so it was. She returned to her culture and family, married her first sweetheart, and is this day back in Sweden living a chosen life of monogamy with a husband and two lovely children. I still feel her in my heart, and feel gratitude for all she gave me.


Sexuality between a spiritual teacher and a student can be experienced and shared in the light of unconditional loving and as divine play. Ours was.


This was a simple case, though. After all, neither of us were married or in relationships. We set our conditions consciously and lovingly. And when it was time to end, it did so cleanly and definitively, both the wiser for our encounter.


What happens when things are not so clean? What happens if the teacher is married, or his student is? What if both are single, but the student is a formal one who has taken vows? How much responsibility lies with the teacher, and how much with the student? And what of the "other" parties, the collateral damage of sexuality in sanghas? The lied-to wives, the cheated-on husbands, the wider sangha that can feel used and abused by a teacher that is having trouble staying true to the very vows they expect their students to keep?


Before we answer this, let's get straight on what love is, and is not.


Should spiritual teachers sleep with their students?


Let's start with this abstract question, often asked, and get into the thornier other points in a moment. As an Integralist, perhaps we can see how all of this ranting and raging within our community about sexual behavior is missing the point. We're asking the wrong question. The Integral question is not "should teachers sleep with their students". The question is: How do we take a compassionate and firm stand on the Truth, which includes sexuality between consenting adults?


It should be noted there already are Amber vows that a priest or roshi (or lama) must take. There already is a prohibition on sleeping with students, cheating on spouses, and lying about sexual activity. And yet these rules don't seem to amount too much more then a hill of beans with the dozens of teachers who have been unable to keep them. If you came here looking for a different list of "thou shall nots" and "thall shalls", you are in the wrong place. The Integralist must, by definition, offer answers that speak to the complexity of the issue, not issue decrees that tell us how to behave.


I tell my students, with only a hint of humor, "If you can't tell which students to sleep with, don't sleep with any of them." If you cannot tell the difference between lusting and loving, if you cannot touch in with your own Enlightened mind that is always Clear, if you cannot see that it is not just about you, keep your pants zipped.


Perhaps we need to find a way to put a warning label on our teachers, "Touch with caution, Unenlightened! This teacher is a horny old dog or bitch who cannot discern the difference between love and lust: BEWARE!" Those immature teachers that cannot tell the difference, risk lawsuits and scandal, toxic gossip that undermines the power of their teachings, easy attacks on their integrity, and never ending charges of hypocrisy that, it must be admitted, tend to stick. The spiritual teacher is like the captain of a Navy vessel: ultimately, s/he is responsible for what happens on their ship, no matter the circumstances.


Because of Enlightened but unwise teachers, who are not fully Awake, tantric and beautiful sex between consenting adults need not end. Eros is not here to be feared and denied but understood and celebrated. Yet she is not kind, and will tear to pieces those who treat her lightly or foolishly. The rule no sexual activity between mentor and mentee is necessary in an ignorant, mythically-bound culture. It is necessary in a culture where sex is interpreted as power politics. Yet to the Integralist, sexual union can be a healing and enlightening practice free of these arbitrary mental categorizations.


We, as Integralists, need to hold a more Enlightened view. When and where is sexual union part of loving interaction permitted? Where within Integral can we study this? Why is sex taboo even here, the one place where one would expect to find a nuanced and honest take on sex that could see things as they really are? Perhaps ISE 3, we could have sexual union as a sporting event: ISE tantric coitus competitions, demonstrations, and events? (That's a joke, people.) Perhaps not, but perhaps we could begin to bring light to this huge shadow, and bring our mental and emotional sophistication to bear on this too-long ignored topic.


A Better Perspective on Sex


Sexuality is about honesty and responsibility. Sex is playful, delight-filled. Anger, as projected violence toward those who do not understand the sacredness and responsibility of sex, is just rape of another order — do you get that? We are not here to argue about what mature sexual expression is or to condemn other's personal sexual preferences and missteps; we are here to embody mature sexual expression in our own lives.


Conscious mature sexuality is loving, not lusting. To withhold to deny sexual communion to gain control (over oneself, or one's student) is cruel and self-defeating. To offer sex as trade is prostitution. Sex is only and always Love's divine play.


Sexual arousal is a subtle energy field, an expression of divine procreation, two-becoming-one in the possibility of the literal karmic creation of a child. Sex education needs to be part of Integral training. And this sex education needs to begin now, across the Integral universe, so we can stop gossiping about who fucked whom and who is guilty, innocent, a victim, an aggressor, a manipulator of women, someone who is easily manipulated. Divine sex has nothing to do with manipulation. Integralists need to understand how and why to hold teachers accountable; teachers need to admit when and where they fuck up and be willing to stay in the spotlight to demonstrate, to all who care to see, how their mistake has led to insight and transformation and shadow-becoming-light.


Sexuality needs to be a conscious and disciplined affair. Sexual union is where the individual ego can be transcended. Sexual touch transcends time. Experiencing unconditional loving in a relationship makes jealousy inconceivable — if you don't get that, I tell you with iron certainty you have never freely loved.


Eros understood and respected will lift you to heights you can never reach alone, to the very face of God where you will be dismantled and put back together again in ways that words like gratitude and humility can only begin to express. And she will tear you to pieces if you treat her any other way.


Now that we're straight on love: who wants to play?


To Be Continued: Married Teachers, Married Students, Scorned Spouses, Jilted Sanghas, and other messes the real world serves up… An Integral View


Part 3

 

Jun Po Kelly Roshi

Jun Po Denis Kelly began his Buddhist practice at Zen Center San Francisco in the early '70s, later becoming a student of Eido Shimano Roshi in New York and subsequently a monk. He received his Zen Master recognition in 1992. Interested in bringing his Zen lineage (Rinzai tradition) into American culture without the Japanese cultural bindings, Jun Po left the monastery and founded the lay Buddhist Hollow Bones order, of which he is abbot. A yoga instructor as well, he traces his lineage to BKS Iyengar and Pattabhi Jois. He established the Hollow Bones seven-day Zen retreats for the Mankind Project.

 

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self-actualization vs. self-transcendence

 

Jun Po: "Conscious mature sexuality is loving, not lusting. To withhold to deny sexual communion to gain control (over oneself, or one's student) is cruel and self-defeating. . . . Sex is only and always Love's divine play."
 
This tells me that Jun Po is operating at a self-actualizing altitude rather than a self-transcending altitude, to use Maslow's terms. Here is a figure to show how these terms correspond with AQAL, Aurobindo, and Gebser:
 

 

 

When Jun Po says that attempting to gain control over one's sexual impulses is "cruel and self-defeating" he reveals himself to be a self-actualizer, which is not bad; it's just not the highest one can go on the spiral; it doesn't represent the highest Zen. What Jun Po is missing is perspectives like this:
 
Wilber: What happens as it moves up is that the self disidentifies with food and sex, for example, but doesn’t lose the basic motivations of food and sex. You still eat, you still have prana, you still breathe, you still have emotions, you still have sexuality, but unlike when you were at those stages, you’re not exclusively identified with them. If a part of the self remains exclusively identified with a lower stage, there will be a resulting pathology. If, for example, a part of the self remains identified with the anal stage, according to psychoanalysis, you have an anal personality structure. If the self remains identified with the first chakra, or food, then it’s going to have either an allergy or an addiction to food; if some part of consciousness remains fixated, stuck, or repressed at the second chakra, the individual will have either an allergy or an addiction to sex—either they will either be puritanical or they will be Hugh Hefner. That is true up through the whole spectrum. . . .  
 
What spirituality is, in the last instance, [at self-transcending altitudes] is disidentifying with all of the narrow identifications with the seven chakras but leaving the seven chakras themselves in place. So we still eat, we still have sex, we still have intentionality and drive, we still have love, we still have self-expression, we still have integral awareness, and so on, but we’re not identified with them anymore. That allows us to use these drives and motivations and needs and desires as they come up, but they’re not going to create karma.

Cohen: Because we’re not fundamentally identified with them. They are parts of the self, but they’re not the source of the self.
 
Wilber: Exactly. We’re not exclusively identified with them. Pathology is when part of the self exclusively identifies with the chakras or the developmental stages as they’re unfolding. That also shows what it is that we are trying to do with spiritual practice, and why in many cases spiritual practices include a period of fasting. There’s food fasting, where you go, say, seven days without eating, and it will really force the exclusive identification you have with food into awareness. Once you are aware of it, you can look at it and make that subject into an object. The same thing is true with the second chakra. You can go on a seven-day period of sex fasting—or go on a three-year period of sex fasting—whatever is required to help you see this exclusive identification with sex and make that subject an object. That’s an important part of what we are doing with sexuality: actually holding it in awareness. So what we need to learn to do is, in a sense, to “mind fast”—to go through periods where we don’t act on the drives and needs and desires of each of the seven chakras so that we can break our exclusive identification with them. That’s one of the practices that helps us see our addictions. . . .
 
And, of course, what we are trying to do now, in our culture, in our time, as “over–Hugh Hefnerized” as the West is, is to ask: Are there ways that we can pass through sexuality and not become either addicted to it or allergic to it? That’s part of what a spiritual path should do for us: help us see our relationship to sexuality. It’s fine to go through periods of fasting, as we were saying, but not to have a chronically sex-negative attitude toward life. [1]
 
Some might say, "But wait, Jun Po is nondual. So he's a self-transcender." But realizing nonduality as a plateau experience, to use Wilber's phrase from One Taste, does not necessarily include vertical self-transcendence; it does not necessarily include vertical enlightenment or construct awareness, ego awareness, and disidentification with the lower chakras behaviorally--a person can have a nondual plateau experience and still have stubborn fixations such as sex addiction or alcohol addiction. In terms of the Wilber-Combs Lattice, Jun Po is taking the right-hand turn to nondual from a self-actualizing altitude rather than continuing up to superintegral (self-transcending) altitudes:
 

 

 

Saying that "sex is only and always Love's divine play" does not amount to an argument that promiscuity is compatible with self-transcending altitudes. Sex can surely arise in those altitudes, perhaps even with multiple partners, but "only and always Love's divine play"? As Shunryu Suzuki would say, it's not always so.
 
 
Jun Po: The rule no sexual activity between mentor and mentee is necessary in an ignorant, mythically-bound culture.
 
That Jun Po dismisses all calls for the student-teacher relationship to be free of sex as "mythic" and "ignorant" tells me he isn't seeing a number of important perspectives, many of which have already been raised.

 

In the end he says, "Now that we're straight on love," but I don't think he has really defined what love is in a satisfactory way. He says it is "unconditional," has nothing to do with "manipulation," is not "jealous," and we're left to believe that nothing short of promiscuity could possibly be unconditional, divine love.
 
Wilber has reminded us of one of Kant's central points: "that 'freedom' does not mean being able to do anything I want; it means following one's own highest dictates. Repeat: 'freedom' does not mean being able to do anything I want (and therefore personal or political freedom does not mean behavioral anarchy); freedom means following one's own highest dictates." [2]
 
So I would say that interpersonal love involves helping others to follow their own highest dictates, not encouraging people to remain attached to lower impulses, such as second-chakra impulses. The Basic Moral Intuition of AQAL is to "promote and protect the greatest depth for the greatest span." (Integral Life Practice, p. 261)
 
Encouraging oneself or one's student to gain control over the sexual/romantic impulse and eventually disidentify with it (behaviorally as well as in meditation) is not "cruel and self-defeating" if one has the potential for self-transcending altitudes; it is love.
 

 

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So you were 48 and she was 20, and your student nonetheless.  Ok, I get it.  

I prefer a woman my age or older.  I prefer balanced power between us---parity with sprinklings of greater and lesser difference.  I'm man enough to meet my woman on terms meaningful to her, in ways giving and receiving between peers.  

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what are you really saying?

I like Jun Po Kelly Roshi's take on sexuality, and find its pretty clearly stated. His view of teacher student relationships is quite vague. I'm left unsure what he really means: he seems to say:

any simple categorical, all sweeping position is inadequate from a integral perspective [I agree]
 
"Sexuality between a spiritual teacher and a student can be experienced and shared in the light of unconditional loving and as divine play. "
 
[i buy this as a rare but possible occurrence]
 
 
Then he basically goes on to say, his case/example doesn't really apply to most cases of sex between student and teacher because most instances involve more complicated situations:
 
"This was a simple case, though. After all, neither of us were married or in relationships. We set our conditions consciously and lovingly. And when it was time to end, it did so cleanly and definitively, both the wiser for our encounter.

What happens when things are not so clean? What happens if the teacher is married, or his student is? What if both are single, but the student is a formal one who has taken vows? How much responsibility lies with the teacher, and how much with the student? And what of the "other" parties, the collateral damage of sexuality in sanghas? The lied-to wives, the cheated-on husbands, the wider sangha that can feel used and abused by a teacher that is having trouble staying true to the very vows they expect their students to keep? "    
 
[I agree these issues make it more problematic and we need to be focused more on the context of sangha and other intimate relationships, then just the sex]
 
 
He seems to imply he will address these issues but doesn't really, only offering a two pointed answer which is little answer:
 
Point one: "The spiritual teacher is like the captain of a Navy vessel: ultimately, s/he is responsible for what happens on their ship, no matter the circumstances."   
 
[this seems bit reductive and silly to me, basically if anything negative happens, or there is a fallout, blame the teacher for not being enlightened enough]
 
 
Point two: "We, as Integralists, need to hold a more Enlightened view. When and where is sexual union part of loving interaction permitted? Where within Integral can we study this? Why is sex taboo even here, the one place where one would expect to find a nuanced and honest take on sex that could see things as they really are?""
 
[I agree we as a larger culture and as a sub-culture need to grow into a much healthier and more positive view of sexuality, and loving relationships between human beings.]
 
 
And then he offers a general view on a positive sexual orientation which sounds good to me.
 
In the end he seems to have just glossed over the very issues he brought up. all the questions he posed at one point to be addressed later are never really addressed: "What happens when things are not so clean? What happens if the teacher is married, or his student is? What if both are single, but the student is a formal one who has taken vows? How much responsibility lies with the teacher, and how much with the student? And what of the "other" parties, the collateral damage of sexuality in sanghas? The lied-to wives, the cheated-on husbands, the wider sangha that can feel used and abused by a teacher that is having trouble staying true to the very vows they expect their students to keep? "
 
 
good questions, where are the reflections on these? Did anyone see them, am I missing something?

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Wiltism

Wilt Chamberlain was quoted as to have slept with nearly 20,000 women. The adult film industry is said to be a billion dollar industry. Most of us want our bodies to be buff and in shape. Sex been around for a long , long time .

Why do we bring so much baggage to this realm of our humanity ? Do we not agree there is really only oneSelf ?

I am in this inquiry as we all are. There does seem to be people like Wilt Chamberlain who incarnate in this world and have fun as a sexual being and to possible teach us all to lighten up about it and take resposibilty for our choices and drop the baggage.

Again I ask, are we not bringing into space and time the heavyness and pain concerning sex. Once we get who we are is the One bringing into space and time ,{ we are the bringer} that we can bring something new into the space rather than yesterdays beliefs. Are we not cause in the matter ? If not we are the effect, and that effect stuff is some tough stuff.

 

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Glad you both had fun - but a student???

Jun Po I'm glad that she didn't do the video and you both had a lot of fun - but she still isn't a student. 

 
Yes, you were older and taught her stuff and yes she was younger and taught you stuff but it's a stretch to compare her to a real student who came to you solely for knowledge and spent some time studying after which she decides to hit on you / or you her. 
 
She came to a lecture and you both came on to each other and then had a wonderful fun time for the next few years.  You could have met at a party, at a bar, at the beach; it would all be the same.  There was no trust to betray on either side (other than the trust of having a romantic relationship with another person). 
 
 From your narration there was no expectation, let alone existence, of the type of surrender, vulnerability, and unconditional nurturing that is in a typical student/teacher relationship.  It's this vulnerability that seems to be the basis of the discussion and judgements about student/teacher sex. 
 
So while I applaud the fun you both had (and would also applaud the same thing with a guy with a nod to Kameshvar), and would do the same. However I certainly would not hold myself to the same accountability that I would with someone who came to learn and only learn from me and we had engaged in that type of student/teacher relationship for a reasonable length of time.
 
But I do have one question?  Suppose she had the entire spiritual, linguistic, etc attributes that you mentioned but she was 300 pounds with bad skin.  Would all of the divine, enlightened love and adventure have played out in the same way?
 
For myself, I think I might have had a different response when she followed me to Dai Bosatsu

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Gold Plated...

hi Po, all...i...see...hear...and...feel

...reading...your...words...is...sadness

...at...your...re....living...of...your...most

...treasured...delusion...like...many...old

...men...love...to...do...the...last...thro...of

...the...dice...of...the...ego...so...to...speak

...the...marvelous...paradox...is...it...is...a...

great...opportunity...to...trans...send...this...

final...fantasy...and...be...truly...free...from...

your...box...and...the...door...is...wide...open!

 

peace&love...vern

 

 

p.s...marvelousness...is...indeed...a...foot!

 

                 

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Wow

This is the most powerful writing I have read on this topic for a very long time.  Thank you Jun Po Kelly Roshi for this courageous, honest and brilliant post.  I look forward to more.   

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Thanks for this!

Awesome read and well written.  I laughed!

It's good to see someone taking a firm and deep Integral stance on this issue.  Far too many easy/snap judgments out there, and the world already has enough of those. 

I do think you got lucky, but not in the "lucky old man" sense.  You both got lucky to find such perfectly in-tune partners in love for that period of time.  That is a rare treat indeed!

Thank you for your wisdom and sharing.

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What about the gay?

 "two-becoming-one in the possibility of the literal karmic creation of a child"?

Not necessarily so.  

Everything you said applies no less to same sex eros.  A little less heterosexism would go a long way towards a fuller endorsement of your integral, ethical, sexual embrace; not limited by Amber rules and ancient prohibitions.

As a polyamorous gay man, my perspective is that our culture has a long way to go to understand the beauty and the power of a deeply lived sexuality that is an expression of spirit without shadow that rests on a foundation of profound integrity.  It's all good as long as it's bathed in consensual truth, light, and honesty.

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Thank You Jun Po Roshi

... for helping me deal with my own pain around a similar dynamic.

When she left me, I had to go back in time, and re-digest all those moments where I unconsciously heard something other than "impermanence." Ouch.

[primal scream]

deep bow,

David Z.

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Having Sex with Shadow versus Making love with Light!!

Thank you Jun Po for being so honest with this much debated topic....Sex is not going away, thats for sure. Yet, as you express here so beautifully, we do need to take this divine act to a higher, more Integral level of consciousness, where it can liberate us all.

Sex began early in my life as a dark shadow then continued its ugly movement until at the age of 50 I took a vow of celibacy. Becoming celibate for me was about my own shadows around this act that always felt like rape from another. But the truth is it was my own shadow raping me; over and over. As a child my uncles touched me in inappropriate ways. A child sees this as feeling good and loved by grown ups....they don't understand the harm. I was fortunate in that penetration didn't happen but the truth is, in the most harmful way, I was penetratrated by them....my own psyche was pentitrated and became filled with shadows that sex and love was about my body and not my soul. I was a beautiful child that grew to be a beautiful adult...men always wanted me.....so my body/mind/personality became a focus to keep it perfect so that my shadows would always want to have sex with me.....and this is where confusion comes you see. I loved being touched and held, and I deeply wanted love and intimacy....a light deep within me, my beautiful soul, felt this was right but always the shadows appeared, instead, wanting to possess my body and mind....so I kept my soul safe....deep in the cave of my heart....never to allow anyone to really see me.....they could only see my beautiful body and parts of my mind.

Having sex with my shadow resulted in several failed marraiges with men that were there to teach me. They played their shadow parts well and I continued to be raped over and over. Never real love and intimacy only SEX with the SHADOW....These men were never the issue....never....it was the shadow within me. It was a long, long time before I could own this.

When I discovered Ken's writing in my thirties he threw me the anchor that helped save me......Of course, everytime I was in his presence or read his words my shadows just jumped onto him....I saw him as the liberator, the one who would finally make love to me....I bet many of you ladies out there, if you're honest will admit to this, whether with Ken or another teacher......we do this....and, of course, the teacher is put into a postition of being the shadow or the light of liberation.....but the truth is 'our shadows belong to us'.....and 'their shadows belong to them'......we come together with the ability to have an experience to wake up or not.....but blame is not the answer.....it just gets us all confused.....

Sex is a natural function and how we choose to use sex is determined how awake and conscious we are....the  12 years of being celibate gave me an opportunity to go within and confront all my shadows.....it was some of the hardest work ever to happen to me.....

I had an experience recently that was beautiful....I met a beautiful man, very integral and conscious. I chose to be with him for a week and I experienced the most beautiful, intimate love making. I discovered my shadows were gone and my soul celebrated with its ability to finally make love with the divine through this amazing and beautiful man. When he left there was simply gratitude for the experiece not needing any thing further.....we entered this space of divine love making with no expectations; just two adults consenting to let go into the divine love making that both our souls longed to experieince and express.....I am so grateful for this experience; it freed me from ever again having sex with shadow, knowing any expereiece I choose to have will come through my soul and will always be to make love to the divine through another.....

Again let me say thank you Jun Po Kelly and to Ken, who, as many of you already know, I hold as my great teacher and liberator......

Blessings and love,

Mary Linda

 

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for your courage.

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Yes And

This was a well told story and I wish love to all beings. And teachers sexually exploiting students should not be swept under the rug. When these teachers fail "teachers need to admit when and where they fuck up and be willing to stay in the spotlight to demonstrate, to all who care to see, how their mistake has led to insight and transformation and shadow-becoming-light."

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Aaaaaaaaah... Sanity At Last

Thank GOD for you!

I wanna play. I've wanted to play since I was 18 too. But no one knew how to play. It was all about being tricked into having sex. Making plays and being played. Never about playing. What a fucking waste. I attempted to pitch this idea to a young man a few years ago and he didn't get it at all. I've never found a man who can get this. Ever.

I'm glad she was open to Love going both ways. That bit of info has been withheld. It's plain to see now that this was Trans-personal, not Pre-personal. That makes all the difference.

Someone told me that I would be able to find people here who were open to this kind of play. But I'm not so sure now. It seems like Integral has attracted Buddhists who are just as moralistic and judgmental as Christians are supposed to be. And not only that, but also some who still think it's about making plays and being played. What the hell happened?

Please teach us. If Integral is not the place to find this, I don't know where else I would possibly look.

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"The Left Hand Path, not merely the Right ... must take the lead."

~SES pg. 148