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Integral Politics
An interesting presentation, completely spoiled at the end by the deliberate ridicule of something which you SAY you wish to honor and include. Your Sarah Palin Moose comment at the end seems neither transcendent nor inclusive, and certainly not tolerant. Why not a comment ridiculing Mrs. Clinton's pant suits? Or, perhaps, Sen. Obama's Bush-like inability to recall the actual number of states in the U.S.? It's awfully hard to accept the invitation to dialogue in the face of such an approach. Did any of the other viewers of this material react similarly? Perhaps not - perhaps it's OK to ridicule those with whom you disagree and those whose world view you find less enlightened than your own. KJD
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Meaningful Dialogue....
Posted October 16th, 2008 by Clint FuhsIn regards to the last line of Dora's comment (to my first comment) about meaningful dialogue.....
I didn't mention this in my first response to Karlduff's post, but i found myself slightly repelled from the prospect of dialogue when i read this line: "perhaps it's OK to ridicule those with whom you disagree and those whose world view you find less enlightened than your own."
Stop me if i am forgetting something, but when Corey and I wrote the script for this program, i dont remember mentioning that we disagreed with Palin or that we thought our worldview was more enlightened than hers or others. In fact, i dont remember speaking about ourselves or our views at all. Of course, some of that can be culled from the script itself and from the inclusion of a joke. But i think it is a leap to assume that to joke about something or someone is to disagree with them or to judge their worldviews in reference to an assumption about mine.
I guess what i am suggesting is that a request for meaningful dialogue would begin or end (or at least include) a question about what my intention and beliefs happen to be around the topic, action, or joke under discussion.
Clint Fuhs
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Time and Place
Posted October 16th, 2008 by Timothy J MelodyClint: If others have a similar experience, I will remove it.
I certainly didn't find myself reactive, but here was my experience.
The first time I didn't quite catch it for I had a baby sitting on my lap. All I heard was "moose." I knew it was a joke but since I didn't hear it I started to think of what the party animals were (as in donkey and elephant) wondering if one was a moose. But at any rate, I did sort of question that little late-Beatles-like unexpected addition at the "very, very end of the end."
Now, the second time - at the end of the next piece - I did catch it. I wholly appreciate the humor but presentationally, if you are going to include the little surprise joke, I wouldn't do it twice. To me, that did spoil the objectivity. It struck me as all this MARVELOUS (and it is marvelous) presentation about Integral and then an absolute last minute reminder "BTW we don't like Palin!" or "BTW we are biased." This is mainly because being reiterated it really seems like someone is trying to get some kind of a point across with it.
There an idea in fiction of "the intrusive author." That is, we as audience are not allowed to assume a full 3rd-person, unbiased, objective, view because the author (or director, or producer, or actor) keeps "intruding" and "commenting" and in some cases is even sure to tell us what to leave making of it all.
Amidst the rest of the presentation, even the first time, it does feel like the "intrusive author," even without interpreting anything from it but the creators, woops!, pulling a little joke. The entire presentation is absolutely wonderful and I am very, very thankful for it. Chances are, too, anyone I would send it to would be more than accepting of a Palin dig. (If it be interpreted like that.) But if you decide to remove it I would do it for this reason. You and Corey did not make any such comment during the piece, but even at the very end, it does strike as some kind of an authorial comment. (And, the comment that we leave with.) The second time I would indeed remove it for political reasons. i.e. because it implies bias which does, unfortunately - even with a single, 2 second swoop - work to undermine the value and integrity of the rest of this very important piece.
I mean, I get it. And even if I didn't express it above, I also appreciate it in various personal and creative ways. But if you want this piece to go viral to any extent outside of the already gathered and enthusiastic choir . . . I'd scratch it, at least (somehow) the second time. (Is there a third? I assume now it just simply follows the music.)
Tim
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Hey Everyone....
Posted October 21st, 2008 by Clint FuhsHi everyone,
Thanks for all the comments on this. I removed the "jokes" last Friday and the current versions of the programs do not contain them. This is not the same as having never included in the first place, but, for what its worth, they are now gone.
My sense of a transpartisan politic includes humor that leads to a negation of a current level's view without a denial of the structure or rung of the ladder. That was the motivating factor behind this, but the result was unclear and messy. Next time, i'll create a program about that specifically rather than sneaking it in!
All best,
Clint Fuhs
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Just a joke
Posted October 16th, 2008 by Clint FuhsHey Karlduff,
Thanks for sharing your perspective on this. I agree with your sentiment...but, that was meant as a joke. A little humor to brighten up the serious topic. Sure, it could have been about any number of things, but i found that sound byte particularly funny.
Sorry to hear that it "completely spoiled" the presentation. I was hoping that folks would separate the worthy content from the tongue-in-check stuff at the end. If others have a similar experience, i will remove it.
Best...
Clint Fuhs
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