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Rollie Stanich
Wow. My whole being vibrates when I listen to this dialogue. I have been on the same search and when I found Integral I knew I had the missing pieces. I also love Father Thomas Keating.
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A "Christianity that Faces My Heart's Yearning", Mine Too!
Posted December 17th, 2008 by Darrell Moneyhon in response to Rollie and KenDear Mary,
Your comment resonated with my own personal experiences. I was brought up in rural Kentucky, and also was torn, like you, between the meanings I sensed midst the dogma "crammed down my throat" as hell-fire and brimstone revivalists scared the shit out of me as a little boy when they shouted and hit the podium with their fists. This preaching style may have helped wake up some adults, but it left scars in me that caused a long migration from "amber" religion. Since that migration away, however, I have seen the wisdom of Ken's phrase "transcend but include". There are sacred truths midst the rigid rural roles and rigid theology. My conflict was so similar to what you expressed, that I have even taken to trying to resolve the conflict during the writing of a book - The Marketing of Virtue (still in progress, and may be for a few years at the slow rate I write!). Below is a section that I wrote long before I ever heard of "the integral approach", but I was clearly anticipating the zietghiest, the collective mind evolving to a state of integration (I believe that is the meaning of "The Tree of Life"). Here is the excerpt. In bold print is a section which I felt especially resonated with the thoughts and sentiment you expressed in your comment:
The Evolution of Intelligence:
When I was a boy on the farm, I would try to use my imagination and intelligence to dream up inventions which might eliminate, or cut down on, the tedious and strenuous physical labor in which I was engaging at the time. One of those farm chores was hoeing weeds from the tobacco patch. In a space of about one and a half feet between each young tobacco plant, I would use the blade of the hoe to break the soil, uproot weeds, and pull the dirt overtop tiny weed seedlings.
This ritual was performed thousands of times, row after long row. The more tired, hot and bored I became, the more I was motivated to think about something which might ease the burden and free me from what seemed to be a trap. My daydreaming was an example of the truth of the saying "Necessity is the mother of invention". My aching muscles and the sweat dripping from my forehead felt close enough to a "necessity" to inspire hypothetical machines and methods to by-pass labor. I was often busier trying to think of new inventions and methods to eliminate hoeing than I was at doing my job in a timely and effective manner.
While I was in the creative mode, I also wrote several poems - my variation of whistling or singing while I worked. My poetry art"works" were a morale-maintenance tool which I used on myself. I became somewhat enamored with innovative thinking. I felt like I possessed a kind of mental magic.
What was happening was a shift from level 1 intelligence to level 2 intelligence. There would be costs and benefits of making this transition, but before analyzing these costs and benefits, I would like to further discuss the characteristics which I attribute to each level. The postulated, and partially experienced, third level of intelligence, which is the basis for the master tool, will be discussed later.
Level 1 intelligence gravitates toward that which is familiar, and resists change. Its main priority is to accurately replicate those projections or products of mind which are believed to have been proven effective. In reference to the tool analogy, level 1 seeks to maintain and use the tools already placed in the toolbox, and makes sure no modifications, distortions, or replacements of those tools occurs. It is concerned with practical, everyday tasks and problem solving, as opposed to creativity. Level 1 calls for a more-or-less blindly obedient attitude toward traditional procedures, views, and tools.
The main priority of level 2 intelligence is to produce new thoughts and innovations which expand the repertoire of adaptive responses. It makes sure new tools are placed in the toolbox, and that the old tools are upgraded or replaced. Level 2 intelligence is concerned with exploration, expansion, and creativity, as opposed to practical approaches.
Culturally, level 2 was represented by the modernization trend in the United States during the late 1950s and early '60s. I recall advertisements of "Barby doll" housewives wearing strands of pearl and high-heeled shoes in kitchens full of modern labor-saving appliances. I wasn't alone in my dream of an easier, more gracious, life. ....
From the Mountaintop
In the vein of "ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny" (in which characteristics of an individual's stages of physical development are said to reflect evolutionary stages of that individual's species), my individual development of intellect seems to have paralleled the evolution of intellect in the history of humankind. Like the tools and techniques which help form civilizations, whole civilizations are projections of the human mind. The mind is one thing which we all have to work with.
My level 2 mental projections, not unlike the projections of large numbers of minds working together, may have reflected the beginnings of our technologically-oriented civilization. While there have been periods of innovative level 2 thinking in civilization prior to the industrial age, such thinking seems to have predominated since the onset of the industrial age.
My level 1 reality may have reflected earlier, pre-industrial, stages of our civilization. Prior to the industrial age, humankind was probably less confident about its mental proficiency, and less willing to try a lot of new approaches.
For me, there was a conflict between my level 2 strivings for progress and the fear that such thoughts were a waste of time, or even a sign of irresponsibility. This notion was reinforced by the practical farm culture and , at times, by my father, grandfather, and uncle who were my bosses during farm tasks.
Civilization also has periods of conflict between continuing with level 2 innovations and a desire to turn "back to the basics" of a previous level. In the recent trend of political conservatism (1980-2006), less government, like we had in the past, has been seen as the answer to the problem of government "fat" which resulted from excessive, or imperfect, level 2 innovations.
A cultural parallel is the press to turn back to old morality. When I was recently visiting a country church "back home", I was intrigued by an old clock on the front wall. The clock's glass, through which I viewed the predictable swinging of a pendulum, displayed the name "Regulator". I marveled at this metaphor of moral regulation.
The church itself had been a tool for moral regulation. In a way, the church was the "Regulator". Part of me longed for those simpler times when I could just follow instructions. Many people advocate a return to this type of church and this way of life.
In that subculture's past, a kind of mental rigidity, including rigid, unexplained, laws as the basis for moral behavior, may have been an adaptive response to the survival-like situations of potential (or actual) crop failure, disease, poverty, and other harsh aspects of reality. A world view of a tenuous kind of order in which the chaos of hell is always "knocking on the door" called for a tight rein on behavior/morality.
The level 2 creative endeavors to find new ways to do things, including new approaches to morality, seemed far too risky. There was already enough chaos perceived in reality itself. The chaos of creative ideas added to the risk of becoming hopelessly lost or overwhelmed.
My level 2 meanderings made me somewhat of a misfit in that subculture. Fortunately, my understanding of the situation has since helped me accept what happened and who I am.
As I gazed at the neat old clock, as valuable and beautiful as it was, I clearly sensed that it was a thing of the past, in need of being somehow transformed into a device which could transcend society's (and my own) pendulum swings between level 1 control and level 2 excesses. The new device would read something like "Integrator". It would point the way to a deeper morality which is based on the connective thinking of spirituality, and would also help us use our level 2 innovations wisely.
The Christian concept of the Second Coming may be alluding more to this 3rd level of intelligence and culture, which is in the true spirit of Christ, than it is to the individual physical person of Christ returning to the world. But just what is the innovation, or "tool", of the 3rd level of thinking?
When I was standing out in the tobacco field under the hot sun, under the influence of an aching in my back, and with a hoe in hand, I missed (at least on a conscious level) the greatest hardship-resolving innovation of all - the master tool. This is the tool which creates all other tools and cultures. It is the mind as a whole.
For the mind to be fully used as a tool, it must be able to observe itself with a "third eye" at the same time it is being the tool. Our first two eyes see the reality in front of us. The third eye sees us as a dynamic part of that reality. During certain states of prayer/meditation, I have actually seen a large single eye before me. I have been told that many other meditants throughout history have reported the same phenomena.
Whether this is a divine communication of God's presence, the third eye, both, or merely a reflection of the physical eye on the inside of the eyelid (my sightings have occurred when my eyes were closed), I don't know. Still, I'm intrigued by this observed symbol, which, for me, has become a powerful sign of an integrative capacity of mind. ....
Let's return to the tobacco field where I once dreamed of “new ways”. Although the story has been rewritten to introduce the perspective of the third level of intelligence, which I had not developed at the time, the outcome of the story is, nonetheless, an authentic expression of what my story could have been, and would have been, had I mastered the master tool.
I’m on a ridge top in northern Kentucky on a hot summer day. The cloddy tan clay soil and the velvet green clumps of tobacco plants reaching up to the middle of the calves of my legs stretched out into long curved rows. Locust trees, blackberry briars, junipers (which we called “cedar trees”), black walnut trees, redbud trees, sassafras, sumac, maples, oaks, and hickories bordered the open field with a wide variety of shapes, textures, and shades of green. All of this scene stood against a background of hazy blue sky interspersed with occasional clouds which lazily drifted by.
The rows of weed-infested tobacco seem to go on forever. It’s 2:15 p.m. and a big part of the day is ahead of me. It is an unusually hot day. My back is aching from the motion of too many hoe chops to count. My level 2 mentality kicks in. “What about those new wonder chemicals that kill weeds?”. Or, “Why can't we calculate the projected weed damage in such a way as to only hoe when it is likely to significantly reduce yield? Up to a point, we could just plant more tobacco in order to offset minimal losses due to minor weed infestations. By growing grasses to crowd out the weeds during off years in crop rotation, we could keep the weeds from multiplying.”
Suddenly, an even more creative thought interrupts the flow. “What if I could learn to use this tool-creating mind/mechanism as a tool itself, in order to rise above the whole problem? Could I mentally transform a situation that leaves me feeling hot, aching, bored, and trapped, into a pleasant, stimulating, and peaceful reality? Could I see a reality beyond the surface facts, or ‘clothes’, of this reality, so as to see the ‘naked truth’? Why would I be dependent on external changes (such as cooler temperatures, easier hoe chops) if I could really see the naked truth of my labor? I would really know my place in this life, in this moment, in this field. The details would be seen in an entirely new way which was never dreamed of before.”
Just thinking about this possible invention begins to change the way the hoe feels in my hand and in relation to my body. The heat on my upper back and the aching in my lower back is still there, but, as though I were on laughing gas, I don't experience the old pain. I am about something else. My body is in harmony with the swinging hoe. As the hoe sinks into the soil, I experience a connection with the ancient earth. As I cut the weeds, I am cutting across time.
I look up and see the sky. Now it is a whole, embracing, sky. A bird gracefully soars overhead. Similar birds must have been there before, but I never noticed. Now I can sense the birds' flight. My mind is free - free enough to no longer have to rebel against my job. I am not trapped. I am a vessel which channels energy from an unseen river. The energy from the sun, which was once oppressing me, is now somehow working through me. I am vibrant, alive, yet I peacefully accept the limited scope of my weeding project.
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Re: Yearning!
Posted January 23rd, 2009 by Mary Linda Landauer in response to A "Christianity that Faces My Heart's Yearning", Mine...Darrell your words express beautifully your transcendence into a more deeper perspective of Christ's embodiment. I agree this embodiment is the 2nd coming. It is our awakening into this Christ consciousness that illuminates our world and our work/service in this world. We see through new lens. We move from one world that feels like hell into another more radiant world that feels closer to haven. We continue to hoe in the fields but do it with joy.
I love your story. Keep writing for yourself and all of us who are on this journey into ascended fields of love. I have come to my own realization that the higher I climb the more pure the love.
I wrote a book in 2007, When Water Runs UpHill. A spiritual novel about the discovery of "Who Am I"
Let me know when your book gets published.
Blessings,
Mary Linda
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Posted January 26th, 2009 by Darrell Moneyhon in response to Re: Yearning!of your books, that is. Were you able to get it published, or into some sort of book form that others, such as myself, could get their hands on and minds around and hearts into? If so, how can I purchase it? Give me a personal message with that info, and I'll buy one, both for personal growth and to inspire me to finish my own very slow project.
Not related to our discussion here (that I know of) but I'd like to process a little metaphor that appeared to me in church yesterday. Come to think of it, it is similar to the way I saw the old clock as a metaphor, although I had not read your comment at the time of the new metaphor, nor had I reviewed or thought of the original metaphor of the old clock. Makes me wonder if Big Mind is speaking to me through environmental events, or through the ever-unfolding consciousness you spoke of. As that immediate consciousness runs uphill ("there's a fountain flowing deep and wide"), we see signs and metaphors. Perhaps the opportunities to see the metaphors were there all along, but until the mind water goes uphill, we just don't see it - the new lens sort of thing you spoke of.And such was the case of yesterday's church-related metaphor. The objects that contributed to the metaphor had been there all along, but I had not noticed or thought about them.
"What on earth (or heaven) is this man talking about?", you may be wondering. Is he ever going to get to the point? Get on with it man! What were the objects? What is the metaphor? O.K., the stage has now been sufficiently set with an abstract tolerance of ambiguity. If you are still with me after all this excessive lead in to the story, then, I suppose, you are ready to receive its meaning (assuming it has any!).
I began to think about the source of the projected images on the screens to the left and right front areas of the area where the church services are held. I had never visually identified the projectors before. When I did, I noticed something that violated my view of reality.
The projector to the right screen was located on the opposite side of the back of the large room. Conversely, the projector to the left screen was located on the other side. Both projectors were on the same level, at the same height. "So", I thought, "wouldn't that mean the projected beams are crossing each other? Why doesn't that crossing interfere with the images on the screen?"
When I mentioned this anomale to the man working the projectors and other computerized stage apparatus (plural form of apparatus? is it apparati? How spelled?) he was as perplexed as me. Like me, he had not thought of this crossing phenomena. He even changed the two projected images, and no interference was noticed. We speculated that the wave-properties of light "squiggled" on by each other as they intersected.
Then I thought (or day-dreamed) some more. This crossing matches the crossing of the world and spirit/heaven. Just the other day, I had been discussing the relationship between Creator and "the created", and was bringing up Mathew Fox's Creation Spirituality as contrasted to a fundamentalist friend of mine's caution to focus only on the Creator, and to give little credence to the importance of the "created" (as though the created was base and unclean and unworthy of worship).
At that point (in the other day's conversation), I brought up the concept (Fox's and, I think, Wilber's) of "panenthiesm", or the Creator in and through the created, as opposed to pantheism which says God is everything. This concept does seem to solve the amber/fundamentalist's fear of the lowly created contaminating the Source (similar to Plato's distinction of distorted wall-shadow "copies" of "Ideal Forms"). With panentheism, the source of creation "transcends but includes" the created things (such as me and you, those low and sinful things the fundamentalist caution us against holding up).
Back to yesterday's observations and metaphors: The one projector could be the "manifestor" the reality-maker, the projector that creates the physical plane or the "world". Our "horizontal" mind's (corresponding with the horizontal axis of the cross) then "see" the images on the screen onto which that projector is projecting. This projector is the distant Creator which seems to be the God beyond us, or the "God-to" (toward which we evolve "by and by"). This projector is like good old "Father Time". Time moves us along from infancy to adulthood and death in a way that has us, rather than us having it. In one sense (the "realistic" sense) we are always right on time, but never in it. It is an ever "outside-in" way/plane/mode.
The other projector is the God in us (Holy Spirit?) where spiritual truths are sensed vaguely in an unconscious, or semiconscious, realm, just waiting to bubble up into occasional "glimpses" via the mind's eye or revelations. It is an ever inside-out way/plane/mode. It is the "fountain" that flows deep and wide through us.
But the two images are somehow related to one another via Christ consciousness. I can see the God in you, and you can see the God in me. It is with us, in this manifest, physical, realm. It can be shared culturally, interpersonally, etc., because we are "humans being" who are both spiritual (wave-propertied) and bodily (particle-propertied). At this crossing, or intersection, the outside-in converges with the inside-out. It is the place of actualization, of "real" growth. And does this third way project back to the Projector? Please God? Bring creation "home" to God?
These are intriguing questions that may have practical significance in our daily lives. Is the Creator created more completely by the lowly "created", those mere copies? Is this the the "up creation" idea discussed recently in some of Ken's interviews (Spiritual Machines)?
The concept of synergy comes to mind when asking such weird questions. But then, these questions and speculations are no weirder than the reality that two beams of images intersect through each other with no interference.
Darrell
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Jesus teaching at a new level
Posted January 1st, 2009 by Maria Baes in response to Rollie and KenHi Linda, you, me and a thousand others have come to the realization what you describe so well in your posting. Is it our search for Christ or is it the Christ consciousness searching to manifest itself in us at this time in history? I for one feel that the birth of Christ in me this Christmas is as important an event as the birth of the babe who was born two thousand years ago. I feel as vulnerable as the child Jesus in Bethlehem, but I also know myself to be surrounded by the Cosmic love who is calling me and you and all who strive toward the divine consciousness that Jesus birthed into the world. It is ours already. We only need to cultivate the silence that helps us know what we know. Thank you so much for your deep and wise words. Often times we have these great insights, but when we try to put them into words, we are afraid that they will not resonate in someone's else's heart the way it does in our own. Your words resonate deeply in my heart and for that I am grateful.
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Posted January 23rd, 2009 by Darrell Moneyhon in response to Jesus teaching at a new levelmuch simpler, but full of spiritual essence, (Christ's "salt" with the saltness, or "saltiness"), correspondence. "Christ consciousness" as it emerges in our actual lives is a much simpler and more direct way to communicate than my long pre-Wilber cultural evolution insights I shared in my one prior comment. I also cherished the psychological intimacy of "I feel as vulnerable as the child Jesus in Bethlehem". Plus, recognition of a point of something that "resonate(s)" is another excellent example of "salt" with its "saltiness", its essence.
In relatively few words, the two of you managed to weave the five spiritual principles which I have been painstakingly trying to articulate (both in the book and outside of it). Lightness/simplicity ("Let go and let God" sort of thing) is one of those 5 principles. You two showed the principle by saying more with less.
If, however, you are interested in a complete (but longer) account of the proposed five spiritual principles (as shown in an individual log used by the fictional characters in the model community in my book The Marketing of Virtue), try out this link from a comment on another blog post.
Integrating the Good Old Head with the Good Old Heart
Posted January 6th, 2009 by Darrell Moneyhon in response to Master of Integration
Thanks for the inspiring examples of the power of essence and of "less is more". Darrell
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Posted January 23rd, 2009 by Mary Linda Landauer in response to Jesus teaching at a new levelHi Maria,
Thank you for your kind words. Sometimes I hestitate to make comments thinking others may not resonate so I appreciate that your heart felt like vibrations in my words. My discovery is in this vertical climb we are making, it helps to have others hold our hand and smile and gaze into our eyes. We know we are not alone.
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Posted December 11th, 2008 by Mary Linda LandauerGrowing up in the deep South in the fifties was painful. I was faced with a Christianity that didn't fit into my own heart's yearning. I loved Jesus but not the Jesus that was being preached to me. I left the church but kept Jesus's love within my heart, almost as if waiting for the time when his teachings would be brought into a higher perspective.
An Integral perspective brings Jesus's teaching to a level where so many people can come back home to their Christian lineage and embrace God's love within their own hearts. A relational love that becomes mystical in its oneness with the vastness of God but also alive and burning in all aspects of being in the material and humanness of form.
This conversation with Ken and Rollie, on this moving issue of God in the heart of the many, and what it means when our seed of relational love is activated in its powerful awakening, brings me great joy and gratitude to be a part of an Integral family. Thank you both.
Mary Linda Landauer