Wilber doesn't understand sf

You said: Why would he paint it in such stark colors when it wasn't really that extreme?

Sorry Jen but...did we saw the same film?? 

What I saw was WHITE vs. BLACK.

GOOD vs. EVIL.

SPIRITUAL PERFECTLY HARMONIOUS TRIBES vs. COLD BLOODED, STONE HEARTED, BUSINESS MAKING MODERNITY.

Sorry guys, I cannot follow you in this.

I recognize (and Ken too) all the beauties of the pre-modern stimilus gathered in this film (and potenciated because of the modern FX :-), and I agree that it will make a lot of good to people that lost contact with those previous stages (like body contact and bio energy).

But I don't see anything more into this, really!

This is THE MOST extreme green characterization of the clash between tribal and modern views permeating at this massive scale into general culture.

And because of the incredible reach of the film, this can be considered maybe the greatest mean green meme move in the last 10 years.

I would not be so happy about this if I were you...

Blessings,

Federico

hey my friend,

i'm wondering how this story, as you say, is strictly post-modern meets pre-modern, when obviously the people who sought out this "new world" we are living in were as interested in profiting as the marines and corporations in the film. It seems actually that the very theme of greed and disregard for all humans as one human family, out of ignorance of course, is prevalent here in the film as in history, don't you see that?

I think that James Cameron was basically making a story that shows greed from "developed people" as it effects the "lesser developed," and by "developed" we only mean has more fictional worth, ie, money, etc. 

so it would seem that this story is being a bit over analyzed, and I'm glad, because it helps to promote the film. Fact is, the military is an extension of corporate motive and drive, this is now the case, and I guess has always been the case for empire expansion focused nations throughout history. 

I like how you put "(and girls)" in brackets, it says a lot about your awareness' Psychology in general. 

One thing that Ken rarely mentions, if ever, is the fact that a lot of tribes respected and worshiped the life force, nature, the sun, many things that are vital to life, that are never really given credence by science and the "post-moderns," and lets remember that the post-modern society is made-up of people who are exactly like the corporate people in the movie, the military that are in the movie, and the Na'vi people in the movie who care about their environment. so it would seem that the film actually is more about a good majority of the people alive today than it is about any other time period, although it directly reflects all periods of "civilization's" history. There was always the public, both caring and non, and the money guys, and their enforcers. Nothing has changed here, despite evolutions actuality. That tells you where illusion plays into it. Illusion is always the stagnant part that never changes, because it is the product of the human mind. 

And most people, like yourself, who feel it necessary to talk about their own "integral leap" are obviously nowhere near the kind of consciousness you are attempting to show us you are. That's the facts. And it's quite well known here. 

Good luck, Fedricko, on figuring it out by not figuring anything out. Fact is, the film rocks and has been responsible for helping along evolution in the realm of human consciousness in more ways than you seem able to yet fathom, my friend. Not sad, but true. Perfect, as usual. 

The gentlemen who wrote this post deserves more respect than this quite unthought out comment of yours.

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Naas. We agree. We need new myths.

And Avatar is a myth. A classic Green vMeme Myth. 

It will do well for pushing people from Orange to Green.

But I think it will not help people to make the leap from green to second tier. 

That's something we can legitimately criticize from an Integral perspective.

Peace,

Federico

...that many people in Integral Life community are NOT Integral yet.

So this is something we have to get use to Michael.

And  I understand it, even if sometimes it's a pain in the ass.

I remember the first time I meet Wilber, a friend of mine, a Zen monk and

a brillant psycologist that already was flying at Integral level offered me

Ken's book "A theory of everything". 

I was, at that moment, the King of the Greenes :)

I remember that one time I even arrived to say that the world problems could be solve if

we removed the presidents and put shamans/lamas/monks (or the culture equivalent) in charge

of all the political issues!! Imagine that! (the world would dissapear at the 3rd day!!! )

But in my absolute mean green meme fragmented version of things it made sense at that time.

I remember (and I posted on this) at that time I read some of the pages of "A theory of..."

and I found myself in RAGE. In fact, I remember I throw the book against the wall when I read

that somehow my "Paradise" (old tribes, Aztecas, etc) were diminished to a second or third stage

in develpment...and that Modernity was supposed to be higher than them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I taked to me many years to understand those; not by reading, but by experiencing truth in everyday

life. I remember I was in a middle of a 4 year project, travelling often to the mountains in Norther Argentina

to visit an Indigenous tribe there, and do some audio recordings of their chanting, for them to have their own CDs and therefore something to sell to the turists and make their living.

It is funny/interesting to look back to that period because over the span of those 4 years I was doing my transition from Green to Teal;

and though, the vision I had of the tribe itself was changing; or, better explained, as I was becoming more able to see the situation in a more realistic manner, I started to see the real life of those indigenous people, with their beautiful sides, but also now with the absolutely present downsides of it.

For example, after doing 13 recordings (absolutely for free) including the design of the CDs, the mixing and so forth; we leaved every CD there in the hands of each singer involved.

One year latter, I sadly discovered that they NEVER got to sell the CDs, because of inceasable fights between the different singers; because they were absolutely unable to reach the most simple political agreement on price, how to handle incomes from them, and so forth; because they untrusted each other; and because of hate between them (for old historic family reasons, for territorial disputes, and so on).

Suddenly the idolized version of the loving, spiritual Indigenous people went down to reveal a more realistic view of things; they were very uneducated people; full of psychological pathologies; with a lot of resentment with the "white man", and so forth. This didn't erase all the beautiful appreciations I had for them, but instead complemented it with the other half of the truth (instead of my own projection of post-modern values into them).

This is only one story, of many that happened at the same time and, probably along with "Ken's help" ignited the flame that would eventually flourish into Teal consciousness.

Anyway, the point I wanted to share with you is that it was not a "1 day process", and that during the half of it I was with one foot onboard, and the other in the water. (In one hand I had all this things that cannot be explained trough my old Green values and cognition, and in the other hand I felt still rejection for Second Tier values and declarations).

I think many, if not the majority of people around Integral Life are somewhere in that process.

You can actually feel that inner-struggle between values in them.

Because one of the functions (not the only one by the way!) of Integral Life is to allow those that are exiting Green to have a safe place to move to, then this is expectable and we have to work with it as skillful as possible (and I recognize I'm not too good at this :(

But, exactly because this is not the only function of Integral Life (for example, other function of it is to give people  already at Second and Third tier a safe, peer place to express themselves) I think we have to find ways to fulfill both of them.

This is REALLY difficoult.

For example: If you express yourself freely as Teal or more, you will get smashed in the face by Green rejection; then in one hand, Integral Life succeds, because even if there is rejection, your message was delivered...and it will flourish, sooner or later, in the recipient. In the other hand, the fact that you get smashed over and over could lead you to stop expressing yourself fully at your maximum altitude because of fear of that smash; at that point, Integral Life would be just another place on earth that is "not integral friendly", and that would be a catastrophe. 

So how we can find a balance of these two objectives:

-making I-Life a place for Second and Third tier to express freely and fully

-making I-Life a place for Exiting Green to find a place and a growth companion into Teal.

We still have to see how we make that happen.

Peace and love,

Federico

Thank you for clarifying for us this pertinent point about language and the fact that "avatar" has many meanings, and that the way James uses the term refers more to reincarnation and the internet interface meaning of the term. But I don't think that Cameron romanticizes the Na'vi people and belittles humanity, as you say, because the fact is the film shows a good portion, an accurate portion, of the human beings in the film, as loving. In fact, it might be a little less accurate in that sense, because we had about four people per thousand, I'd say, in the film, who were completely like "Don't kill these beings for oil, or unobtanium," etc. And it would seem that would be pretty much the average today. Most are driving cars and using the very same oil in which this and many more militaries are literally killing for under the guise of stopping communism, terrorism, and dictatorship, etc. It just seems the same, with a different name. 

so I wouldn't say that humanity is misconstrued in any sense here, really. What do you think"?

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