Even Ken can not know everything - The Shadow Elite

Hi Ambo, I am going through much frustration in relation to Integral not being able to digest the shadow elite. Your response to Ram is a great example of missing the point completely.  I will attempt to give you feedback on what you said, but really feel it is very, very hopeless. I have read many of your posts and like you personally but think your very clueless about the Shadow Elite topic which changes ones understanding in all quadrants. 

"My guess is that much of what you have pointed to has been included along the way in Ken's understanding. How he, and we, synthesize all of this into the enormity is an ongoing surprise - when we speak and try to answer a question or address a particular what comes out of our mouths is partial. In a brief response if we try to be too inclusive and embracing, details are lost. If take a sortie into details, the sense of proportion will feel off to many whose inner snapshot is focused, perhaps, a bit to the side." 

Your guess does not pan out at all. Ken does not have a realistic sense of the elite. He believes that terrorist act because of the amber/ mythic view they come from when statistics show the 95% of terrorist acts come from blowback and not fundamentalism. Which means they are attacking because someone is messing with their sovereignty. US CIA history shows that they have messed with islamic countries backing dictators and keeping there level of social development low so they are easy to control. Show me where Ken understands modern history to the degree where he includes the blackops operations of all countries. He looks clueless at this point.

 " personally am glad to be reminded by you of this emphasis; I appreciate your tone of presentation. Thanks. My fantasy is that Obama does understand much of this and he's doing his best to dance his way out of the puppetry and into his and the people's value systems more. In the self-serving influence and corruption of politics/military/business, it is not an easy feat to be elected and then rule with integrity. How I imagine it is that O is working his bootie off trying to keep larger visions and realities active and also trying to avoid the almost unavoidable pitfalls, like polarization. I have, in my mental interpretation of events, appreciated how he has danced thusfar - moderately pathetic though some results have been."

Obama does understand most of this but is a pawn for the elites plans.  If he really wanted too he could easily make changes that cut off the power of the elite, like doing what JFK was doing before he was assassinated, taking control of the money system back into the congress where the constitutions demand it be. Bring the troops home, like said. Cut most of the funding to the military industrial complex. Return the country to Common Law. This is not hard just against everything he is supposed to do for the elite. I am glad you mentioned your fantasy because that what your expressing. A goodwill hope that does not really exists.

Looking at just one phrase of your post, "but now this is essentially [italics mine] a game played out to reframe the popular opinion." I want to say that it is not entirely clear to me what is "essentially". Forgive the hairsplitting, please. Sometimes it clearly seems predominantly reframing, co-creating popular opinion and thought. What I'm acknowledging is pretty close to what you are expressing. As an aside, this is what I think the republicans have been so successful at doing. Most everyone feels trapped in the construct of saying something like that "the American people are speaking out." It really has been largely a selling of a vision and I feel sad that, though there are valid points and emphases in the talking points, the message is often regressive. Painfully, detrimentally regressive. Reality is not a fixed construct in this sociopolitical arena but has potential flux. If Obama and we had been able to hold a different vision, the economies and practicalities may have followed in surprising ways; not always without stretch, strife, and struggle. Maybe that is still going on over a longer time frame.

Your showing how "but now this is essentially [italics mine] a game played out to reframe the popular opinion." has actually worked on your opinion that you have such fantasies that Obama has some redeeming qualities for the job. Its only a acting job to "but now this is essentially [italics mine] a game played out to reframe the popular opinion." while his policies are very different than your hopes. But not many follow the real policies.

As an other aside, I think he made some mistakes early on and revealed some of his limitations and sticking points due his history (as we all are held and moved by history). Ego, for example. Competitive, for example (showing regularly in his human and perhaps endearingly common joy of competitive basketball and sports). Wanting to be post partisan and more cooperative/collaborative than competitive, yet still has the competitive schema deeply and confusingly emblazoned into who he is. As a fall back, competitiveness can be useful, probably.

No mistakes. He is following the plan given to him perfectly. Your right about the hypocrisy of his talk. It just go much further than your willing to imagine.

He wants things to be different, and along some lines he has transcended much, yet maybe this is some of his shadow. For cutting edge, it would help to not be fanning the bipartisan and easily polarizing counter-competitive flames with even minor and intermittent gloating, posturing, and "I won"s. For example, at maybe the earliest bipartisan meeting at the white house, he silenced the Republican power attempts with that phrase. "I won." Translated meaning that the people voted and elected me and I and my and my party's agenda represent the people. Which is a common reduction of the much larger and more complicated reality. I cringed when he said that as ego and as reminder of the Democrat we-space's pent up desire for getting back at. The Republicans were a bit humbled at that point, and maybe momentarily malleable with some uncertainty and maybe tentative accepting will, but I thought this small behavioral expression portended of the depth of difficulties in future working together.

NeoCon, NeoLib have the same agenda, follow the elite plans. To get out of the polarity is to acknowledge the shadow elite. Something you have not done.

Aiaiai. I think he is trying mightily. The task is bigger than he is. Of course. In retrospect, Daahh. The attractor grooves and ridges of the system too set, too beckoning of repetitive behavior. For the variety of US citizens, mythic Messiah, not quite.

The good old post-modern move of " He just a human being" bit. Should not work for you anymore. Remember the changes are easy.

Sorry for the tone Ambo. I am beyond frustrated with very intelligent people not well informed historically and geo politically. This includes Ken. Robb has impressed me very much thou.

Here are some videos to help. Watch in the order listed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

If you need more substantial info than propaganda videos then read " Tragedy and Hope: A history of the world in our time" by Carroll Quigley . It is available free as an ebook online.