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Curious for Feedback

Posted October 16th, 2009 by Robb Smith

I'm curious to receive feedback from the community on yesterday's letter from Ken.  I did not read it or edit it before it went out, an unusual occurrence here, and since I've received mixed reports about it I wanted to see what your reaction was.  Comments welcome...

Thanks,

Robb Smith

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Feedback

Posted October 17th, 2009 by Stanley

First I would like to thank you for asking for feedback. This seems like a wise and kind thing to do.

In my opinion Ken did a great job of explaining what the integral community is up to. And if we reflect on all that has been accomplished in such a short period of time it is almost unbelievable. I am very grateful to Ken for that. He called for our support and that is fine.

He did not seem to use his letter to tell us what a vulnerable and small minority we are or to invite us in a strong way to bring our hearts and minds together to help and support all of each other in even non commercial ways.  I would like to see him do more of this. This might take him out of his comfort zone but if Ken does not lead this it might not get done.

Stan

P.S.

While I have you attention, I have been having trouble activating the free six months membership I received with my Integral Practice Starter Kit. I left a few phone and E-mail messages with support but they have not gotten back to me yet. Clould you please help clarify this for me? Thanks

 

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Loved it except..

Posted October 16th, 2009 by Brian OConnell

Hi Robb, I loved the email for making a clarity about the integral material. The only thing I did not like is Ken's alarmism on climate change with the World Forum and 2020 climate leadship. I would like to see Integral revolution succeed but as Michael Zimmerman expressed at boulder integral, " It looks like CO2 is NOT driving climate change". Thus making Integral look naive in beleiving in such a myth, turning people away from integral. Zimmerman was worried how Rush Limbaugh would take environmentalism after it had the science so wrong. 

Keep up the good work.

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Re: Feedback

Posted October 16th, 2009 by Balder

I'm not sure if this is the letter you are talking about, but I got one from Ken yesterday asking me to check out or join Integral Life.  I thought I must have gotten on the mailing list by mistake, since I've been a paying member of Integral Naked since it first opened, and a member of Integral Life since it first went online as well, so I didn't bother to finish reading it.  My reaction was, 'Looks like they're not filtering their email mailouts well.'

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as an introductory marketing letter - ok

Posted October 16th, 2009 by Ambo Suno

Robb, thanks for inviting feedback.

I suppose that overall I was mildly disenchanted to see Ken in the trenches of marketing.

I seem to have a general bias about the use of extravagant words to boost a product's popularity, so I often feel an inner glitch when I see the word "revolutionize" and "revolution". I don't expect that IL would agree with me - many will see this characterization as accurate and not premature. For me, it is "the degree of truth of revolution is to be revealed over time." I was a bit confused and unable to answer in a recent questionnaire by Corey because of this same metaphor's use that also spoke of a "tipping point".

I concur that getting the science of climate and all issues correct and true is important, and caution with proclamations in the meantime has integrity. Brian mentions this.

"This makes Integral Coaching the first major component of an Integral Life Practice." I didn't realize that this was the first component. This place of coaching is a longer story for me, and to the extent that this represents IL, I feel some inner resistance.

These few points said, I don't have so much confidence in my perspectives and biases. I want to trust that you and others at IL will continue to weigh these questions if they have any merit.

ambo

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HE FORGOT ONLY TO ENGAGE THE CAPS-LOCK

Posted October 18th, 2009 by Tom Clearwater

I lean away from dramatic expression.  Ken's letter, whether or not it was actually written by him, follows Ken's penchant for the dramatic, which I find off-putting, and smacks of the cultish.  Here are words and phrases from the letter that remind me of pom-poms, marching bands, fireworks and flags.  My blood pressure rises just transcribing them:

• over 37 human disciplines ... have been revolutionized

• extraordinarily versatile model

• worldwide Integral revolution

• this [integral] transformation in every field of human knowledge.

• The revolution is here! [you must be kidding me]

• the world's finest and most influential spiritual teachers

• revolutionizing spirituality itself

• as extraordinarily positive and affirmative as any feedback I have ever seen

• extraordinary worldwide transformation

• this truly amazing endeavor

• a smash success by all accounts [all?]

• the world's greatest Integral thinkers and practitioners

• the world's leading Integral practitioners and experts

• the finest integral spiritual teachers alive

• before it's too late!

• an Integral Revolution that is just now beginning to sweep the world