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A Guru/Pandit dialogue, plus 2 cents

Posted March 18th, 2010 by Robert Lyons

 

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Oscillating between noticing THIS, and not noticing THIS; noticing THIS, and noticing that others are not.  Flirting with "Constant Consciousness" (not for the first time).  In, out.  Wanting to share this Understanding.  Not to Rest in THIS, but to penetrate, to push, to break out, to engender -- "Riding a psychotic horse toward a burning barn! [~KW]” To grease this unfolding; to unleash this Freedom, this Understanding; to make the way simple, natural, obvious, to all.  Whew!

Cohen: . . . If one is truly moved or inspired by the evolutionary impulse, ultimately one is going to be endeavoring to create that which is new—in our case, new structures in consciousness. New structures demanding higher and higher levels of integration. And it seems that an inherent part of the creative/developmental process involves transcending the old in order to embrace the new. This kind of transition inevitably will create conflict—conflict between the old structures and those new ones that are trying to emerge. Of course, at the deepest level it's being fueled by an ecstatic compulsion to create, but the structures that one is endeavoring to transcend and go beyond will perceive that creative impulse as threatening or even aggressive.

Wilber: Right.

Cohen: So the interesting point which I think needs to be brought out is that part and parcel of the creative process is conflict. This fact tends to challenge many of us who have spiritual inclinations. It challenges our deepest beliefs about Ultimacy, about the nature of God. It calls for greater depth, higher evolution, and a much bigger embrace of this miraculous process we are all participating in. The fact that the nature of the creative process includes conflict, and that conflict is ultimately part of our larger development, can be both a bitter pill and a glorious awakening. But it's a fact.
 

 

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Posted March 18th, 2010 by Billy Guilfoyle

And I would add to this, in regards to some of my Realized friends I've known and who are out there in la la land somewhere feeling like to be Realized is to sit and watch it all go by WITHOUT interference:

"And thus the lingering suspicion that soaks these approaches: If you really care about the world, or worry about the world, then you can't actually be contacting the Higher Self (because the Higher Self would take care of that: your 'concern' or 'worry' for the world shows you haven't found true Self). Whereas in fact, it is just the opposite: the more you contact the Higher Self, the more you worry about the world, as a component of your Very Self, the Self of each and all. Emptiness is Form. Brahman is the World. To finally contact Brahman is to ultimately engage the world." 

               -Ken Wilber,    Sex, Ecology, Spirituality page 4 hundred and something or other

 

 

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Thanks Robert

Posted March 21st, 2010 by Stanley

I would actually respect the right of a person to be alone and meditate in a cave all day and night. Such a person could be serving the all in ways not understood to us.

And for those of us wealthy enough to have access to a computer with internet access; we may have the added responsibility of active sacred service. As we become more and more successful terrible conflict WILL arise. That's why I think community is so important. We can help each other develop and maintain the strength and courage needed to serve and battle with this conflict. I have loved your posts. Please stick around.

Stan