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I Believe in God
I loved how Ken equated beauty with reality. The Apostle’s Creed is recited at every Catholic mass but I had never really reflected on it in dept until I listed to this conversation with Brother David. In considering the creed David has three meaningful questions:
· What does it mean?
· How do I know? (What has my experience been?)
· Why is it important?
The first line is “I believe in God”. David explains that we can think of God as life. To believe is to have a deep abiding trust in the goodness and beauty of life. The source of this trust is our vaster self who is the observer of our object self. The challenge is to draw this down into our contracted suffering object self. This is important because if we are able to live with this deep, abiding, and loving trust we suffer less, are less likely to do harm to reality, and are more likely to serve it in humility. To live deeply in this beautiful trust is to live a Heavenlike life on Earth. One method to achieve this is to spend time in the presence of saintlike persons like David and Ken.
As we live with more and more connection with the alive, loving, and caring presence we can become more and more grateful, and therefore more and more joyous. I am certainly grateful that this wonderful talk was made available to us and that Brother David is connected with us. Thank you.
I think that every Christian sould be proud to accept the historic Jesus as a magnificent guru. Historically the problem has been in trying to force people of other faiths to do the same.
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Great review Stanley
Posted August 30th, 2010 by Federico ParraThank you Stan.
I would like to share some of the retreat as you always ask me but I find no energy at this time nor time.
But I promess you that in the near future I will share more about that, specially after the Mahamudra retreat with Brown I will go soon.
Take much care friend.
Fede
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Christian Apologetics
Posted August 31st, 2010 by Ed KellyWe can spin the Creed any way we want but in it's time it was created to bind the faithful under the authority of the Church. We can play with the meaning of belief and faith attempting to create some non-dual realization in these words, but this is not a reinterpretaion but quite simply age old Christian apologetics. I think it is referred to as “old wine in new bottles”. The fact is that if this “interpretation” was taught or practiced as a congregation during the time of it's creation, it would have been considered heresy and would have been opposed and suppressed by the Church (along with all similar heresies). The creed was created to subjugate believers. But by far the most absurd statement in this conversation is that it is the "truer self that has faith in the Creed". If by truer self you the essence of what we are as non-dual Consciousness, Awareness, Spirit, etc what need does that Self have for a Creed? How does trust or belief or faith however you interpret these words apply to that which is already the all and everything? Ken, please tell me how you can give us the perfection of the last chapter of the Eye of Spirit, Always Already, and participate in this nonsense.
Ed