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Tora! Tora! Tora!

Posted March 4th, 2010 by stefano in global warming
In Reference to:
World Leadership Crisis. Exhibit A: Climate Change

I was trying to avoid titling this post with profanities. I am utterly shocked by Michael Zimmerman's explanation of the energy situation. 

I have been following, as a layman, the global warming climate change debate since about 2006, when some bright spark on the internet said to me, "and that makes you a denier, buddy".

I have always wondered whether my own impressions and limited thinking on the subject -- my own common sense -- was merely a case of self-delusion. I do know Ken Wilber said something about CO2, and I do know he mentioned that many of these scientists were green altitude, but ya never know how things might pan out. 

Nonetheless, unproven computer models were, well, unproven. There's a reason people, like engineers, F***G test stuff. But that's just me, and who am I to question "thousands of scientists".

But what bothered me more, was that statement, "the debate is over, the science is settled".

How could it be?

The simple answer, is that it can't be, not without Divine Intervention. Or Time Travel.

So why would scientists claim it was "settled" ?

And then I began to talk to people who apparently agreed it was settled and the urgent need to cut CO2. But the more I talked about it with them, the more I hit brick walls. There comes a moment when you've made a fairly simple point that they can't answer -- and they ignore it. So you just get a hint that you're in some kind of death grip of someone's worldview. 

I've been familiar with just about every point that Michael Zimmerman made in the first part of the talk. What really bothers me about that is, heck, if even I could have a hint about all that stuff four years ago, why the heck has the environmental movement been wasting all this time pursuing a useless grand narrative?

Tora! Tora! Tora! was a rather good film about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. It documents the many warning signs about the real situation, the real dangers, which America was facing. It documents a massive cock-up.

 

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LOL

Posted March 4th, 2010 by Jennifer Grove

Maybe I'll be able to make a more satisfying comment later after I watch the video. I don't have time at the moment. But I will say this:

You are making note of how people talk when they are using the Scientific Grand Narrative to dominate others. It's all power play. "scientists now know..." sort of stuff. Referring to an inaccessible authority. And, yes, it makes me gag too. I don't care which side of what cause uses it, it's disgusting. Lack of awareness about this problem has driven me nearly off my nut this last year. I try to ignore it and hear the content, but it's so glaring and stupid and primitive that it does, indeed, make me want to cuss and spit too. Ick!

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Okay, watched the whole thing.

Posted March 8th, 2010 by Jennifer Grove

I finally finished part II today. And I was very drowsy and ill thru both parts, so I'm not going to be at the top of my game here.

Zimmerman seems to be informed about all the ideas and theories and methods of testing. But methinks I spy a blind-spot. That is his naivete. He seemed kinda... I don't know... astonished that there was corruption in the scientific community and the media. He listed all the consequences of such corruption as if no one had clearly thought this through yet. Maybe that's partly a function of his age. Frankly, I don't know how anyone could trust either the sci community or the media to ascertain anything even remotely real when there's this much on the line. I don't think I ever had faith in the media but I lost faith in the sci community years ago when I saw that brick wall first hand in regards to meta-physical or non-rational phenomena. It's always been obvious to me that truth can be bought. This has never changed - even though I had hoped for better from the sci community when I was young.

I don't really feel like I can trust someone who is this naive to do something as important as navigating this mine-field in the name of Integral.

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But they're SCIENTISTS!!

Posted March 10th, 2010 by Jennifer Grove

Phucking Big Pfarma. How can anyone still believe?!!!

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