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NYC MOSQUE

My father lives looking over the statue of liberty. The twin lights of the tower memoriam flutter at night with the winged spiral patterns of territorial pigeons climbing banking and falling. This is the city of my birth and I'm spending a week here with my dad. Last year he hit the retirement age but he continues happily (religiously) working - running his own business which has had many faces and degrees of successes and failures but he's managed to have the luck and grace to stay afloat enough to give himself the gift of living in close proximity and view of his most cherished national symbol. His neighborhood is Battery Park City, which is built upon the landfill of dirt that was dug up when the foundation of the original world trade center towers were built in 1972 - it is a little city in the big city - a man made outgrowth of manhattan island. A few blocks over is where the recent controversial mosque is being built. We've been having family debates over whether this should be allowed. I've been hoping the conversation would turn up on this site, and maybe I missed it, but either way I'd like to share what we've stirred up. My father's stance started out strategically orange/ green: of course our great nation allows freedom to worship any god, let them have their temple... ...Just make sure we bug the hell out of it with surveillance so we know everyone who steps foot in the community center and can keep tabs on the crazy fanatical ones. I thought it was a funny attempt to transcend and include level values so I I tried to search the head and heart for my own take on an integral approach, but I'm clumsy, so please forgive this harsh edge of green : There's part of me that thinks let them have it, the towers falling woke a lot of people up, and for some part of my psyche it symbolized the end of duality. It was part of a cultural event that caused enough fear and surprise to open up questions that led me further on my own spiritual path. We may even extend islam some gratitude and let them have their victory to commemorate a successful act of coordinated effort and rebellion by a few determined but misguided souls who changed the game in a way that maybe needed to be changed. My heart goes out to anyone who must resort to awful violent acts - and my heart goes out even more to the innocent lives of the victims and the heroes who perished in service - but just as I really don't care about or see any thing sacred in the perpetually disputed temple in jerusalem, a building is just some stone and concrete, and land is land, but we own it and if they can pay the rent, then so be it, let them build it. In the end it shows we are better for allowing feelings to pass and shows us offering to live together. I bet some of you can see a higher wider perspective than this, because it doesn't really sit that well with my heart. I must be missing something. In fact could easily drop back down to where my father finally settled in his center of gravity as a native new yorker: fuck em, they don't deserve shit on our turf. Giving props to a crazy belief system is bad enough, but giving them a victory monument is bad politics and offensive to the families and friends of the fallen. I feel all of these perspectives in some way, but none of them fully addresses the complexities involved in the delicate issue. What do you all feel?

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Which Islam?

I think the worst form of bigotry to associate the Cordoba initiative with the terrorists who struck us on 9/11.  Anyone who knows anything about Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf knows that his form of Islam is at the very minimum Orange, and more likely Green or higher.  The guy's a Sufi mystic, not a violent Wahabbi.  Did you know that this community center is going to contain Jewish and Christian prayer rooms as well as the mosque?   The name "Cordoba" was meant to evoke a time in history when all three Abrahamic faiths lived in harmony.  And people are acting like it's supposed to be some Jihadi recruiting center.  Give me a break.  Projects like this are the best weapon we have in the War on Terror.

I just don't recognize this country anymore.  You get a black president and a financial crisis, and suddenly the ugliest pathological forms of Amber come out of the woodwork.  Bigotry in all its forms becomes more and more a part of the daily news cycle.  I try doing some shadow work on it, trying to understand people where they're coming from, but it's just too horrible for me to bear.  It just breaks my heart to see the levels of intolerance that are poisoning our society every day.  It's almost enough to make me lose hope.

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then and now

Steven,

I feel these aspects surfacing in the collective mind (amplified by news cycles) to be one piece with much of my life and love and work. For most of 2001 I worked in the North Tower, where, beginning on Sept.11, 2000, I would silently chant the old Sanskrit dharani, The Gatha on Averting Calamity, while in between tasks or walking the hallways (which I wrote of on the Multiplex).

Such an intimate enactment has me feeling that I'm lived by unfolding history simply by going about my serendipitous life. The business I was in there I considered 'the heart of the WTC' (the Papyrus card shop in the ground floor mall), where I gave a pep talk to coworkers saying that, "…we're selling relationships". Our customers, mainly tower employees, would come choose cards for family and friends, have invitations printed for weddings, bat or bar mitzvahs… we were a vortex for their own remembrance of their loved ones. A pause, in their rush hours or lunch hours, of reflection and appreciation. I feel blessed with that opportunity of place and time. My open mourning began a month after 9/11; standing on a ledge of Canyon De Chelly, recalling hearing of entire families leaping to their deaths there when surrounded by cavalry.

Last week I returned to the canyon for the first time since (the place Joseph Campbell called the most sacred place on earth) where I had cried not just for a particular incident but for the entire long habit of inhuman harm ever inflicted one on another. Contexts are also continuums. The contents of us-and-them, then-and-now, either evolve or perpetuate with the presence of our own intentions.

A decade before 9/11 I had spent over a hundred hours in prayer with Imam Feisal, who had done a Zen retreat at our monastery, and who I recommended as a representative of Islam for the Integral Spiritual Experience about a month before Obama's Cairo speech.

Reading the news on the cultural center I hold both the memory of a dad carefully selecting a card for his daughter, and the warmth of the imam's hug, the gentle intonations of his call-to-prayer… both equally precious, both now part of who I am. With humility, I feel an awesome passion for embodying apparent division in my simple unshaken love for everyone.

I feel for the original Tea Party, the colonists who dressed in native garb for their political statement, not to deflect blame had they been sighted, but to honor the Iroquois Confederacy's contributions to their nascent form of governance. And I feel for the abuse of their precedence, whereby 'Tea Baggers' unwittingly seek to reverse collective gains built on the vision of the U.S. founders.

As a child I climbed a tree in my hometown seeing the Towers in the sunset some 50 miles away. I imagined the two parallel lines intersected by an 'S' shape making an enormous dollar sign. So I can vaguely spot, in my own development, a version of the sentiment noted by terrorist Mohammed Ata when he saw the golden arches of a Cairo MacDonalds superimposed over the pyramids. Except, as an American, these were our pyramids. And my tracing a dollar sign over the towers wasn't quite through resentment but acknowledgment, an identification.

So the topic, the "NYC Mosque", is rife for me with appreciation of a few of the angles it's seen from, valued as aspects of my own humanity. It's not merely out there, but alive as me. Or so it feels.

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complexities

Hi Steven,

As Jonathan and Kerry have expressed, both thoughtfully and poetically, there's two different Islams. Ken Wilber said that the esoteric inner part of Islam is just about the best that can be found anywhere. Meanwhile, the exoteric outer part of Islam is just about the worst that can be found anywhere. I have a friend who comes from a very traditional Islamic family, and I can see the tension he suffers where on the one hand, he is modern, but on the other hand, his family views his modernity a deep violation of their values. I always used to "advise" him to just leave, but I never appreciated just how much his family means to him. So not only do those outside of Islam suffer, but those inside it suffer too.

I asked Ken Wilber about this with respect to the Conveyor Belt chapter in Integral Spirituality -- how can my friend keep his family connections whilst becoming a modern man? -- and Ken's advice was basically, try to reinterpret the tradition in modern ways. I've started reading some texts by modern Islamic scholars. These scholars are out there. They are intellects, they are out there doing this, there are Islamic individuals who are committing their hearts and lives to shaking things up and making changes. Sometimes at great costs to themselves.

The Greatest Altitude for the Greatest Span 

What that mean in this context of the NYC facility is, what altitude are they bringing to the people? If the altitude that they bring is an appropriate step up, a skilful intervention in the fabric of NYC culture, then it is to be protected, cherished, supported.

But lets not get ahead of ourselves. This is where it is, as you intuit, very delicate.

Ken also said, "One gets a sense that when orange appeared, evolution got too far ahead of itself. The gap between blue and orange was too big." [ words to that effect ]

This is related to the way so much of our own culture seems backward and gives us cause for despair. People outside the NYC facility protesting against it; in our own countries, the leap to fully rational orange seems a bit more than many would make (and it is their right to be who they are). The leap is too big. It is as if evolution should have created a stage between amber and orange, a sort of "salmon" stage where traditions live as reinterpretations, order lives with change, before full blown modern independence kicks in. 

Holding Hands Across a Great Leap, a Rope Bridge to Modernity

The NYC centre is a delicate thread to be protected. The only problem is if Americans find it too offensive. The same problem happens in the Islamic world. Sure, people should accept modern rational free speech, but if on the day, you know that they won't, and instead they will run riot in the street, then what do you do? Do you take the risk for the sake of principles? Or do you pragmatically retreat, and wait for better conditions? 

I believe the people of New York will do the right thing. They will express themselves, they will vent their anger and show they are a force to be respected, and they will also be tolerant, rational, principled. 

In the Middle East, outrage is caused by even much more minor things. It is hard to appreciate, I think, as a Westerner, just how deeply ingrained is the Arab sensitivity to insult, disrespect, and offence. The recent Koran burning event by that American pastor, is actually deeply hurtful to most Muslims. Free speech and tolerance is not easy. We do need to be sensitive to their feelings; it isn't something we can tread on disrespectfully. 

Yes, there is much injustice on both sides, and much hurt on both sides, and perhaps this mosque at this time in NYC is too much pain for the people of New York to bear. I'm trying to say, there may be good reasons for NOT building that mosque. Seriously. It isn't a simple case of, "well they are orange to green so that's OK!" It is not simple. We might idealise that mosque as an evolutionary leap, but it may be like saying to a traumatised victim, "get over it!" Sure, maybe they are hanging onto it, or maybe they still need space. The city is all about space, security, identity. 

Muslims will argue that their texts are deeply important symbols that must be respected. I think it is fair for New Yorkers to say that their city is a deeply important place where their way of life needs to be respected. Once it is attacked it needs timely healing. The mosque may be too soon. Or it may be just the time to say, "get over it".

We can see altitudes, we can appreciate evolution, we can reorganise the old categories of "Islamic" and "Terrorist" into stages of development. But in practice, is this the right time? Are the people ready? Is the mass feeling driving this issue one of healing, or one of anger? Are people eager for things to shift forward, or are they hunkering down to build defences and consolidate their way of life?

Are the protests venting anger, or are they building rage?

You can't cross that rope bridge, not even holding hands, if the people behind you are busy cutting the ropes.

What's your feeling about this?

 

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Building a Mosque to Bridge the Gap!

Stephen, Jonathan, Kerry, Stefano and many others who, hopefully, will join this thread. I appreciate all of you bringing this to the community for a timely and needed discussion. I had the honor to be in on the conversation with Kerry, Stefano, Bill and, of course, Ken and Corey talking about religion being the needed conveyor belt to thaw out the spiritual line and, hopefully, begin filling the gap between amber ideas of a projective, exclusive God and orange ideas that have repressed God altogether.

When we look upon the planet at this time in our history, these two perspectives are bringing together all the perspectives thus far to participate in this great demonstration, producing the greatest show ever played on the world stage. Its as though we're in the final act, before our great transformation, waiting to see how this great mystery will unfold.

All of you have made this so personal in your comments and in the orginial thread created by Steven. Because, you know what? It is personal isn't it? It is our life, our ancestors lives and our future generation's lives. It is very up close and personal for all of us. And, for me, maybe all of you too, we need to get this as right as we can. But what is that right, as you all ask?

As you say Steven, so we take a more Integral approach and say, yes build the Mosque, maybe even extend some gratitude.......hold deep love and appreciation for the slayers and those who have been slayed. Did these Souls, at some higher essence, take this great sacrafice for all of us so we can begin to step back and ask, 'what are we doing to each other and our planet'? This is all part of the great mystery now isn't it? But to take the other perspective, "fuck em, they don't deserve shit on our turf," could create an even greater gap, causing an even greater war of terror that we have ever faced.

Jonathan you make a great statement to all of us here, Feusal Abdul Rauf is a great Sufi mystic and not a violent Wahabbi and this center will offer a community for all religions to come and worship, however that worship applies to them. This is just what Ken has so brilliantly stated......religion has created this frozen gap and it will be religion to start thawing out this gap and allow the spiritual line to begin moving.

Kerry, sometimes you feel like my twin Soul brother.......your service to humanity is breathtaking and I appreciate you, all of you, so much. When I was a child, to run from my own terror inside my home, I often climbed into a tree, hiding from everyone but greater Presence within me.....I felt so protected in that tree then one day I fell out and broke my collarbone. A great metaphor, today, to say we can't hide from the terror, we must face it and slay the dragon so that we can truly all live in the freedom of peace and harmony together on our beautiful planet.

Stefano it is so complex isn't it? Yet, if we all stand back and look at this unfolding complexity, we see that a simple gesture of taking each other by the hand and begin walking across that great chasm, that gap, we've all helped to create, and seeing our own hands as the rope of deeper connection, just maybe, we can build this Mosque together, and let it become another great NYC symbol, like the statue of liberty, to remind us we are ONE, albeit, uniquely different. That maybe our unique complexity can be understood in a more simple light; God simply wants to create, love, and find many expressions through the many of us.

With love,

Mary Linda

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Coment

I don't know much of the specifics of integral theory, s t e v e n  ,    and so i don't know that I would be able to

respond to the particular vocabulary of your questions,

but I was deeply moved by the beauty of your introduction

and in response to that, I would say that

God is Good

God  '  s   Love     Is      the same       Love     that moves us          to greater                       heights and  depths 

It is beautiful and IT Is Beauty

itself