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Gut reaction to Ken Wilburs opinion on Global Governance

Posted April 28th, 2009 by Tony L

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Is an Integral World Federation Possible?

I watched the video in this blog and have some very strong feelings about what was discussed.

First off I would like to address the issue of sovereign nations. I am a person that buys into the idea that sovereignty acts as a sort of check and balance against global catastrophes like the global economic crisis we are currently experiencing. The fact that treaties like NAFTA passed by Bill Clinton have intertwined global economies (and encourages slave labour) across the globe means when one economy falls, those tied to it fall as well. Think of it as a sinking ship with no doors in the hull to contain the incoming water. Is it not possible to have global consciousness and compassion without a global government to control our lives? Is it not easier for corruption to take power of the globe if there is only one government to overthrow?

The other question that comes to my mind is Ken speaking of a "Disaster" that is required for nations to give up soveriegnty...this is the same propoganda that comes out of Henry Kissingers mouth when he speaks of the every emerging New World Order. This "Order out of Chaos" solution to bring in global gov't being pushed by tyrants is very disturbing to me. Look what the resulting order from the chaos of 911 gave us...The Patriot Act! Why doesn't Obama repeal the Patriot Act? He is for spying on Americans just like Bush. Al Gore stands to make huge profits from his company Gore & Blood from the CO2 cap and trade scheme. All these men of power stand to benefit from enacting control on citizens and none of them are worthy of our trust. Wasn't Al Gore and his wife Tipper behind the Censorship movement of the 90's? Yet he is now a Rock Star and we must sign on to his cap and trade scheme or the planet is doomed.

I also am amazed when I hear males need to be chipped to and have serototonin monitered to stop violence. Arent' wars started by the global elites to benefit their interests? Isn't the violence in America a product of the war on drugs being pushed by elected officials? Just sounds like more fear mongering!

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Good Guts

Posted April 29th, 2009 by Brian OConnell

You speaka my language! Your guts are good. I think your smelling something that might not jive with the shadow of Integral. Look out. Don't show that Ken has no cloths. Ken has one twisted notion of geopolitics and economics. It goes pefectly with the twisted notions that the ACTUAL elite want intelligensia to have. Its a good way to get really smart people not to look at the most obvious element in out society that effect every aspect of it. THE MONOLITHIC MONETARY SYSTEM. Da da daa. Ya need some guts to take a look at how these systems actually work and I think Integral gets caught trying to keep one foot in two boats. Compromising with obvious corruption so you can have a dialog in the hopes you can change there minds. Da da daa. Playing nice at the expense of trully taking stock of the situation so you can actually lead. They hope that the leaders in the public sphere will hear the integral message but the ones really pulling the strings are not in the public sphere , Da da daa. So what should Integral be doing? Not giving people the notion that we live in a modern society. Sure in the UR and LR we do, but guess what , money has a moral demension and it is running at red right now making our projected idea of a modern society be just that, a projection. A true modern monetary system would be pluralistic, free market principles. Not fiat by decree. Do you see anything in Integral in economics and politics that comes close to how it is actually being done. There is a big gap and Integral is reeling with current events like it is ethnocentric. So much for haveing a world centric understanding. Its more like a promoter of subtle elitism for our own good( sure it is). Does Integral ever take the possible perception that countries in the middle east are that way because the elite made there societies stay at that level. Does Integral understand that the CIA and othe black ops have put dictators in power and kept them at that level of development. Da da daa. That terrorism does not come from fundamentalism but from one group messing with the sovrienty of another, like putting dictators in your country. If Integral understood what has been done under empire, out of public view, it would not have this global governance drive under the pressure of fear. We come together globally under peace not fear. So current global governance is not what Integral even wants to work with. The move to global governance needs to be stopped for now. I can not see us coming together globally and appropriatly for another twenty years.

the video zeigeist addendum is a good start, in showing the shadow of global governance.

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Is it the nature of evolution?

Posted April 29th, 2009 by Matthew Flowers in response to Good Guts

Just to brush up against this topic...

I am no sociologist but they have been studying the evolution of the various forms of sovereignty for decades. As the (general) progression goes from Tribes to loosely bounded City States through loosely bounded Empires to Monarchical Empires up to strictly bounded Nation States not all regions will be under the "control" of the most prevalent (but not necessarily the most advanced) system, as is the same with all developmental lines. The driving force behind most, if not all, of the evolutions of governance was the economic force. As with every new developmental level there exists the possibility of a pathology, history has shown us this, but the driving force to transcend and include will forge ahead and self correct.

We are of course no longer in the period dominated by the Nation State. We are evolving into the loosely bounded Continental States. With the rise of the European Union, China's dominance of the Pacific/Asian region, the Middle East's oil dominance, the United States' hegemonic control over the Americas (mostly relegated to North America, but fundamentally connected with the South) and Russia's bouncing in between trying to assert itself; the various players are making themselves known. Each of these transcend and include Nation States. These are systems that respond to and affect other systems. There has arisen a global system of systems, and the language of this system is economical.

Of course it is predominantly economical with its base rooted in the military and its head floating in the cultural clouds, in this way the evolution mirrors our own. The systems are being propelled forward by nature of the larger framework that wrought them.

Ideally the only advances necessary would be cultural but some people still wanted to get paid, and still some people want to fight. It is noble for them to want to protect their culture, but change is happening and if they wish to bring down the whole ship because of an argument in the dining room I find less nobility in that than in the poorly executed actions of a tragically ignorant Elite.

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Thanks for commenting Brian

Posted April 29th, 2009 by Tony L in response to Good Guts

I have seen zeitgeist addendum and preferred the original zeitgeist only from the aspect of the Project Venus being a little over the top! A really great book is Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins.

I do like Kens ideas on Consciouss Evolution and have read a number of his books...I just feel like Al Gore is jumping on his bandwagon because he does have such great ideas, which in turn can be manipulated into a theory of more centralized global control by a powerful elite.

My feelings are we will have more harmony with less control and increased freedoms. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and the type of people who wish to have power over others always gravitate towards positions of power.

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