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Perspective Shift:
- Spiritual realization isn’t about escaping humanity, it’s about becoming more exquisitely human. The highest spiritual attainments don’t lift you above the messiness of life, but drop you more deeply into it. When you truly understand emptiness, you don’t float away; you become more present to every texture of experience. The goal isn’t transcendence but full participation.
- You don’t need a perfect life to realize a perfect nature. Mystical experiences aren’t reserved for saints or sages. They arise in forests, friendships, and gym class. The divine doesn’t wait for our credentials — it meets us in our aliveness. You don’t have to be ready in the conventional sense; you just have to be radically present.
- The metacrisis isn’t something to solve — it’s an initiation we must undergo. We’re not facing problems that need fixing but a species-wide transformation that requires us to grow up. This isn’t about finding the right answer but becoming the kind of beings who can navigate ungovernable complexity together. The crisis is the curriculum.
- Emptiness doesn’t mean meaninglessness, it means everything is equally sacred. When you realize the constructed nature of reality, you don’t become nihilistic; you discover the freedom to fully engage. Understanding that nothing has inherent existence liberates you to play wholeheartedly in the dance of form. Samsara IS Nirvana.
- You are not the weather. You are the vast sky it dances through. The effortless, naked awareness that observes this very sentence has no age, no gender, no limitations. It was here before your grandparents were born. It is here now, behind your eyes and behind every experience you’ve ever had. To stabilize in this truth — not as a peak state, but as the ground of being — is the cornerstone of spiritual awakening.
What does awakening look like when every breath, every movement, every relationship becomes a doorway into the sacred?
In this tender and heartful conversation, Kimberley Theresa Lafferty and Kabir Kadre, a realized practitioner and teacher, weave between Buddhist emptiness teachings, developmental theory, and the urgent call of our planetary moment. They explore how true realization means becoming more exquisitely human rather than transcending humanity, and why caring for ourselves and each other might be the most radical response to the species-wide initiation that is the metacrisis.
Together they unpack the paradox of living as pure awareness within the limits of the body, and the art of meeting each moment as an emanation of the Sambhogakaya — the radiant world of awakened presence. Kabir reflects on his mystical experiences, his journey through profound physical limitation, and the compassion that arises when we stop seeing the world as something “out there” to fix, and instead recognize it as the sacred mandala itself.
This dialogue invites us beyond theory, maps, and models into the direct first-person reality of awakening, where every challenge becomes an initiation and every breath becomes prayer. It’s a conversation about integration: of teacher and human, sutra and tantra, transcendence and embodiment, form and emptiness.
Whether you are walking a Buddhist path, exploring integral spirituality, or simply longing for a more compassionate and embodied awakening, this episode offers a rare window into what it truly means to live realization in real time.
Key Questions
Here are some questions you can contemplate while listening to this discussion. We suggest you take some time to use these as journaling prompts.
- Do I know myself as awareness? Or do I just believe it? Can I sense the one in me who is aware of this sentence? The one who is not my body, thoughts, or name? Who is that? Where is that? And what happens when I rest there, even for a moment?
- Is my spiritual practice preparing me to escape the world or to serve it more fully? How am I tending to my physical, emotional, and mental wellbeing as a sacred act that prepares me to show up for others?
- Where am I collapsing into either absolute or relative truth instead of holding both simultaneously? Can I know myself as empty of inherent existence while still showing up fully in my relationships, work, and responsibilities?
- Where in my life am I resisting the reality of “what is”? Am I still trying to get “out of here” in some way—out of my body, out of this moment, out of this culture or relationship? What would it mean to let divinity show up right here?
- If death’s ultimate teaching is “just love,” how am I complicating what might be simple? What sophisticated spiritual concepts might be preventing me from accessing the most basic truth that’s been here all along?
- If death’s ultimate teaching is “just love,” how am I complicating what might be simple? What sophisticated spiritual concepts might be preventing me from accessing the most basic truth that’s been here all along?
- How do my daily choices — the phone I use, the food I eat, the products I buy — connect me to global suffering and possibility? Can I hold the weight of this interconnection without being paralyzed, using it instead as motivation for conscious action?
- How can I be both a keeper of ancient wisdom and an innovator at the edge? Where might traditional teachings need new expression, and where might modern insights need ancient grounding?
- If samsara IS nirvana, what ordinary experiences might I be dismissing as unspiritual? How could I discover the sacred in my daily routines, challenges, and relationships rather than seeking it only in peak experiences?
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About Kabir Kadre
A lifelong practitioner of Pathfinding the Way Less Traveled, Kabir Kadre places in his service to life, his deepest embodied prayer and most sincere efforts towards the fruition of realizing an integral, ethical, and practical expression of impact in the world. With background in philosophy, spirituality, psychology, evolutionary development, systems thinking, and lived experience of resilience and perseverance with heart, Kabir leverages a renaissance view of life, the universe, and everything towards locally inspired and globally contextualized strategic initiatives in service to the evolution of life and well-being for all.
About Kimberley Lafferty
Kimberley Theresa Lafferty is a seasoned teacher-practitioner specializing in constructive developmental psychology and Indo-Tibetan Vajrayana. She leads multi-year, private spiritual education cohorts with the Confluence Experience. Kimberley co-leads, with Terri O’Fallon, the penultimate Minds I year-long developmental course of Stages International. She is an active Board member for the Association for Spiritual Integrity. Kimberley is also a wife and mother to a young son, living in a remote valley of the North Cascades of North America which deeply impacts her worldview and practice.