n this episode of Integral Justice Warrior we are joined by special guests Gail Hochachka and Rob McNamara to explore some of the critical strategies to climate change — some of which emphasize a total top-down transformation of our political and economic systems, and others that emphasize a more incremental and adaptive approach.

So what is the best choice here — adapt, or transform? To integral viewers who are very accustomed to “both/and” thinking, the answer probably won’t be too surprising.

But it’s one thing to say that we need to bring these two strategies together, and another to actually begin generating the will, the nerve, and the resources in all four quadrants in order to actually do so. It is going to take far more than the ability to habituate new behaviors in the Upper Right (bottom-up solutions) or to design new systems in the Lower-Right (top-down solutions). We also need to create deep and loving communities in the Lower-Left to help support and sustain our efforts, while also cultivating a more growth-oriented, anti-fragile mindset in the Upper-Left that, because it is more grounded in the timeless, is therefore more responsive to the ebbs and flows of time, more comfortable with chaos, and more tuned in to the opportunities on the other side of disruption.

All in all, this is a wonderful continuation of our ongoing IJW Climate Change series. Be sure to join us for our next episode, on the last Saturday of each month (see Integral Live for the full calendar!)