ndre Marquis is associate professor of counseling and human development at the Warner Graduate School, University of Rochester, and author of several books and scholarly articles in the field of Integral Psychology. Today Andre talks to Ken Wilber about his most recent book, Integral Psychotherapy: A Unifying Approach, which explores how a more comprehensive understanding of the self can greatly enhance, enrich, and energize the therapeutic experience for both patient and practitioner.

Listen as Ken and Andre take a deep dive into the theoretical aspects of the integral psychology model, and how these aspects show up in the actual territory of live therapy sessions. This leads to a friendly and fascinating debate about how states of consciousness present themselves during the psychotherapeutic session, and how those states relate to the person’s total self-system and kosmic address. It’s a wonderful exploration of the polarity between map and territory, and how both inform the overall moment-to-moment “multi-channel” sensibility that this work helps us to cultivate.