Perspective Shift:
- Time isn’t a flat circle — it’s more like a winding spiral. We revisit the same inflection points — war, collapse, renewal, awakening — not because we’re trapped in eternal recurrence, but because we exist within a recursive spiral of development. Each turn in the spiral brings us back to similar challenges, but with new capacities, perspectives, and stakes.
- Time isn’t just measured; it’s grown into. Time isn’t a fixed backdrop. It’s a developmental achievement. Infants begin in timelessness, then construct cyclical time (day/night), linear time (goals/futures), and eventually relative time (Einsteinian). Ultimately, advanced stages re-integrate timelessness — not by regressing, but by transcending and including earlier temporal modes.
- Civilizational collapse isn’t random; it’s cyclical, and developmental. History isn’t a chaotic series of events. It’s patterned. Generational “blowups” (wars, revolutions, meta-crises) happen in ~100-year cycles and correspond to developmental limits in cultural structures (e.g., when capitalism outgrows its third-person frame).
- We’re not just evolving — we’re accelerating. It once took 50,000 years to move from archaic to magic. Now, new developmental stages are emerging in decades. This compression disrupts traditional generational analysis and creates a world where vastly different levels coexist simultaneously.
- You can be advanced and still dangerous. Late-stage development doesn’t automatically mean healthier behavior. A person can be construct-aware (5.0+) and still deeply narcissistic if early-stage wounds weren’t healed. Shadow travels up the spiral unless integrated.
In this illuminating conversation, Keith Martin-Smith is joined by Terri O’Fallon — co-founder of STAGES International and one of the most insightful developmental theorists alive today — to explore the hidden cycles shaping both personal growth and global history. As the world faces a convergence of meta-crises—from late-stage capitalism to climate collapse and runaway technology—Terri reveals how these upheavals mirror a deeper, evolutionary recursion within human consciousness itself.
Together, they trace the arc from timelessness (at birth) to the construction of linear and relative time, culminating in the boundless timelessness required at higher developmental stages. Alongside this journey, they chart the rapid acceleration of cultural evolution — from 50,000-year transitions to changes now unfolding within decades — and discuss the critical role of shadow, leadership, parenting, narcissism, and spiritual practice in navigating this evolutionary quickening.
Is capitalism the end of the story, or just another stage? Can AI ever touch the depths of timeless awareness? And what kind of leaders are needed to shepherd us into a post-crisis future? This wide-ranging dialogue blends rigor and heart, offering both a sobering look at our civilizational crossroads and a grounded faith in our capacity to grow through it.
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Key Questions
Here are some questions you can contemplate while listening to this discussion. We suggest you take some time to use these as journaling prompts.
- Do I experience time as linear, cyclical, relative — or something else?
How do I plan, reflect, or worry? What kind of time do I live inside? - Where do I notice patterns repeating in my life or society? Am I caught in a flat loop… or can I sense the spiral? What might I be revisiting from a higher place or perspective?
- What is my relationship to timelessness? Have I ever touched an experience of timeless awareness? How did it affect how I see the world today?
- Am I overwhelmed by the pace of change — or able to metabolize it? What helps me stay centered when reality speeds up?
- Can I see multiple developmental levels operating around me? Do I judge earlier stages — or recognize their necessity and limitations?
- How do I navigate living in a world where many people are not seeing what I see? Do I collapse into cynicism, superiority, or loneliness… or stay in contact with compassion?
- How far into the future am I thinking — really? Am I living just for my own needs, or am I willing to serve a vision I may never live to see?
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About Keith Martin-Smith
Keith Martin-Smith is an award-winning author, writing coach, and Zen priest. He is passionate about human connection, creativity, and evolution. His books include "The Mysterious Divination of Tea Leaves", "A Heart Blown Open", and "The Heart of Zen". His most recent book is his first novel, "Only Everything", a novel that explores the promise and the pain of following an artist's path.
About Terri O'Fallon
Terri O’Fallon, PhD is an Integral scholar whose research spans 40 years, including eleven research studies conducted in various colleges, public schools, and private research venues. Her most recent theory, and the culmination of a lifetime of work, is the STAGES model of human development. STAGES integrates several developmental models and is informed by Ken Wilber’s Integral Theory and Terri’s own research, to form a robust and predictive map that is being used by numerous scholars, practitioners, and leaders throughout the world.