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Get Full Access For $1 (30 days)* Or explore all membership plans → * Trial price for the first 30 days, then $20/month. Cancel or switch plans in 2 minutes at any time.n January 6, 2021 a pro-Trump protest at the capitol building turned into a violent riot and insurrection, the first time the Capitol building was breached by a large group since it was burned to the ground in 1814.
The rioters beat one police officer to death with a fire extinguisher, and wounded another officer by beating him with an American flag while onlookers sang the Star Spangled Banner.
Four of Donald Trump’s supporters were killed during the violent insurrection at the Capitol, including one woman who was fatally shot by Capitol police, and another who was apparently trampled by fellow Trump supporters while holding a “Don’t Tread on Me” sign.
These rioters were apparently egged on by Trump himself, as well as by his attorney Rudy Giuliani (who was calling for “trial by combat” that very same day) and other pro-Trump voices like Lin Wood (who made an infamous Twitter post that said “Get the firing squads ready. Pence goes FIRST.”)
Watch as Mark and I take an in-depth look at the heart-breaking events at the Capitol, offering our own full-spectrum response to this American travesty. We also discuss the response coming from corporations such as Google, Twitter, and Facebook, who are now beginning to purge their platforms of far-right voices and Q anon supporters. Is censorship ever the right thing to do? If you think you have a simple answer to the question, you might be missing something important.
Topics include:
3:32 — Did Trump incite a riot?
15:01 — Was this comparable to BLM-related violence?
21:26 — The Age of Aperspectival Madness
45:19 — When plutocrats pose as populists
49:40 — A return to deep literacy and critical thinking
1:02:44 — Mark & Corey’s full-spectrum response to the insurrection at the Capitol
1:21:57 — Rights vs. what’s right: Big Tech censorship
1:58:27 — Looking ahead: the consequences of Georgia
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A note from Mark
As I contemplate the seemingly intractable divide in our politics I am broken hearted. The willingness to leave the echo chambers of those that only agree with our current point of view and engage with folks who have a different perspective is a rare act. And that my friends is a problem we must solve. Because at our essence we all seek happiness. At our essence we all seek to root out suffering.
It’s interesting because at least in terms of our personal behavior the wisdom traditions are unified across the board on how to root out suffering and live a happy existence. They tell us to contemplate who we are to the point where ego identification becomes very questionable (not solid). They tell us to think of others and take real steps to make their life better. Because the truth is we are all interconnected and the solid egoic self does not exist. In reality everything we say do, and touch has an impact on everyone, the planet and all its inhabitants. EVERYTHING. Which is why we are all brothers and sisters and in essence ONE. Which is why our intentions need to always be about HELPING THE WORLD.
What if we were able to realize that absolute truth first before we lay the blame of our miseries on others? What if we asked ourselves if every post or conversation I have is in the spirit of making this world a better place, keeping in mind the fact that we are all interconnected?
Let’s hit the pause button on being so sure we know the right path to ensure domestic wellbeing for all of our people. Let’s have the humility to enter into a dialogue with our brothers and sisters who may see the world differently than us and use our words in the conversation in a way where we know it’s for the purpose to get it right and not be right. Curiosity, natural compassion and an open mind are the keys to relieving us of the Grand Canyon divide we currently face.
We’ve got some difficult days ahead my friends. Let’s be clear about each of our purposes and who the person across from you really is. They are Your BROTHER AND SISTER. Heartfelt blessings to every one of you on the days ahead. Mark ❤️
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About Mark Fischler
Mark Fischler is a Professor of Criminal justice and current program coordinator for the criminal justice and criminology programs at Plymouth State University. Prior to joining the Plymouth State faculty, he practiced law, representing poor criminal defendants for the New Hampshire Public Defender’s Office. Mark has worked extensively with alternative theoretical models in law, constitutional law, and higher education, and has published on integral applications to teaching, being a lawyer, and legal theory. His focus in the classroom is ethics and criminal procedure, and is well respected for a teaching philosophy that emphasizes recognizing the humanity and dignity of each student. Professor Fischler was awarded the outstanding teaching award at his university in 2014. He currently offers a weekly Spiritual Inquiry class through Satya Yoga Studio.
About Corey deVos
Corey W. deVos is Editor-in-Chief of Integral Life, as well as Managing Editor of KenWilber.com. He has worked for Integral Institute/Integal Life since Spring of 2003, and has been a student of integral theory and practice since 1996. Corey is also a professional woodworker, and many of his artworks can be found in his VisionLogix art gallery.
Dear Corey and Mark,
Wow. Your “freight train of an episode” really gave me a lot to contemplate. First of all, I must say that this was the most intelligent and centered conversation I’ve seen on recent events in America, compared not just to mainstream media but other go-too sources of mine like SamHarris, RebelWisdom, UnHerd, etc etc. Secondly, your reflections on having the “right to the internet” as a public utility vs. the “right to a social media profile” truly hit the bull’s eye. We need to completely rethink our approach to regulating the Twitter’s and Facebook’s of the world because at best they are dumping too much toxic waste in the public square, and at worst they are used as weapons. We are way past the point of simply issuing verdicts on who should be banned or not. If the in-coming administration wants to have an honest conversation about ‘environmental’ policy and homeland security, social media and the web at large would actually be a good place to start, given how imminent of a threat the status quo poses to the well-being of our society.
Thanks again for putting together such an amazing show.
Take care,
Christian
Twitter and Facebook have been big spreaders of HATRED - along with CNN and MSNBC
CANCELLING the page for the President of the United States is totally unacceptable, it is wrong… And it is insulting they are allowing Iran and China to use twitter but censor our president.
For Americans that love their Country and their Freedom have to get smart and support each other instead of falling for the efforts to divide us by those very media channels.
Two alternative Platforms: PARLER and GAB
The reason I joined Integral Life was because of KEN and believing that his followers would be of like minds and souls… But if I continue to read mostly THE SPOUTING OUT what fake news are telling people what to think; I was hoping in this site I would hear and share with people seeking higher consciousness and a deeper sense.
A major part of Ken’s work is shadow work. It’s one of three main pillars. “Clean Up”.
The vast majority of the time when there is a large emotional charge to an issue, especially anger - there is some cleaning up that needs to be done.
If the question is about news channels and information was directed at me - I don’t own a TV and don’t pay for any companies to entertain me or provide me with information. I get the information directly from people themselves and draw my own conclusions. I can pop in and out of both far right and far left communities both online and in person. My social life is full of Liberals and my Professional life is full of Conservatives. Family is also on both sides of the spectrum and spread across the Nation from West Virginia to Utah to California. It’s not like we have to own a TV or even log into social media to get what people are saying. Heck, both half my siblings and my mother are Tea Party turned Trump Fanatics. I don’t think my experience is unique - so the idea that anyone needs to get their information from “News Channels” or the “Lamestream Media” is some kind of alternate reality suck in the 1990’s.
So back to cleaning up - part of the shadow is projecting things onto people and creating an enemy that does not actually exist to direct anger at, or creating arbitrary rules of behavior to make someone “unacceptably wrong” and so have another reason to be angry at them. Both Trump and Pelosi (and of course Hillary and every other controversial figure) are just magnets for whatever shadows people have and every shadow imaginable will cling to them like a tar baby. These past few weeks I personally am curiously observing my shadow that enjoys “Winning against the bully”. A sadistic, joyful shadow. Lots of liberals smiling with sadistic glee these days. But having a shadow isn’t “wrong” or “bad” - everybody has them. What’s important is owning one’s own shadows and not projecting them onto other people is Chapter 1.
I myself probably won’t continue with integrallife’s paid membership primarily because I’m in the Pacific and the timing of most content just doesn’t work for my schedule. So I’m not really representative of the population here at all.
It may well be that you will find more higher conscious patriots here. Hang in there.
No, that is not Domestic terrorism.
Being “funded” does not make an organization terrorist. Millions of organizations and charities could not exist without funding. Charities are not terrorist, either.
Having “foreign” associations also does not make an organization terrorist. Obviously the International Olympic Committee “was formed by foreigners” - but the Olympics is not a terrorist organization.
So the answer is No.
Eastern European Countries are not Anarchist. If they were, they would not be counties, because Anarchy means no Government. Anarchy is also the complete opposite of Communism, which was the form of Government most common in Eastern Europe prior to the current Democratic Governments.
So again, No.