In this episode 15 chapters
- Beyond Green Anti-Racism
Corey asks how an integral approach to anti-racism differs from critical race theory, and notes that the work in the cultural lower left is still unfinished.
- Excellence as Protest
Greg uses the roles in a jazz ensemble and Wynton Marsalis's 'Buggy Ride' to picture how fast society has moved this past month.
- Defining Systemic Racism
Diane draws on Utah's Racial and Ethnic Fairness Task Force to show how disparities pile up across institutions, and Mark calls for defining terms rigorously.
- Locating the Phantom
Starting from Coleman Hughes's question of where systemic racism actually lives, Corey places it mainly in the lower left.
- Deconstructing Loaded Terms
Greg praises Coleman Hughes and John McWhorter while stressing trauma work and nuanced terms like 'the folklore of white supremacy' and 'nominally white.' Mark warns against meeting oppression with…
- Anti-Racist and Anti-Anti-Racist
Corey argues integralists can take in green's partial truths while guarding against censorship and absolutism.
- Fragility or Powerful Feeling?
Diane credits Robin DiAngelo with documenting white defensiveness but would reframe being overwhelmed as powerful feeling that can be supported through the body, and she criticizes the book's…
- Words as Weapons
Mark and Greg warn that terms like privilege and fragility deny people's real suffering and get used as weapons.
- Room for Every Voice
Mark says lasting progress requires letting people say what they really think without being attacked, and Greg describes himself as a 'radical moderate' with friends across the spectrum.
- The Economic Divide
The panel takes up racial wealth gaps and the shrinking middle class.
- Outcry and Pressure
Mark calls Black Lives Matter an essential outcry but not a pragmatic approach, and argues for root-cause systems thinking.
- The Case for National Service
Corey and Diane argue that generations of neglected civic duty fuel today's urgency.
- Disarming Aggression One-on-One
Eva, a Guatemalan-born nurse in rural Nebraska, describes a coworker's hostility after she posted about Trump.
- Do What You Can Where You Are
Louis, a former police officer and Vietnam veteran, asks why more people don't step up.
- Backlash and Memetic Mediation
Asked whether left-wing tactics fuel white nationalism, Corey notes that racism is getting videotaped, not getting worse, and Greg describes backlash cycles and memetic mediation.
iane and Corey are joined by guests Greg Thomas and Mark Palmer in this groundbreaking discussion about racism, anti-racism, and racial integration, highlighting a number of critical views that have been largely missing from the larger conversation that’s been taking place culturally in recent weeks, months, and years.
Watch as we bring some integral understanding to ideas central to anti-racism and the pluralistic discourse itself — ideas like critical race theory, dismantling white supremacy, eradicating systemic racism, overcoming white fragility, and addressing social privilege. Which pieces we might want to include, and which do we likely want to transcend altogether?
We also address how the conversation about race can be easily reduced to a grievance discourse that fails to recognize the dignity, resilience, artistry, and spiritual power of the black community.
So enjoy the following discussion with Greg, Mark, Diane, and Corey as we try to create a space where we can unite multiple divergent perspectives on race and racism, expand our circles of care, and reignite our sense of shared humanity.
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About Greg Thomas
Greg Thomas has over 25 years of experience as a writer, producer, broadcaster and educator, and has been featured in publications as various as The Root, All About Jazz, Salon, London's Guardian Observer, the Village Voice, Africana, American Legacy, Savoy, New York's Daily News as well as the scholarly journal Callaloo. He was the Editor-in-Chief of Harlem World magazine from 2003-2006.
About Mark Palmer
Mark Palmer is a Principal with Metcalf & Associates and Global Leadership Coach for Abrasive Technology, Inc., providing leadership development, team building and organizational effectiveness. He is also co-author of the Innovative Leader Fieldbook and a founding member of the Integral Institute.
About Diane Hamilton
Diane is a uniquely gifted, playful, and awake group facilitator, consultant and teacher of Integral Spirituality and Zen. She is a lineage holder in the Soto Zen tradition, and has collaborated with the Integral Institute and Ken Wilber since 2004, developing the Integral Life Practice seminars and the Integral Spiritual Experience global events.
About Corey deVos
Corey W. deVos is editor and producer of Integral Life. He has worked for Integral Institute/Integal Life since Spring of 2003, and has been a student of integral theory and practice since 1996. Corey is also a professional woodworker, and many of his artworks can be found in his VisionLogix art gallery.
