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Perspective Shift:
- Defenses are a developmental intelligence. Rather than viewing defenses as obstacles to overcome, this discussion reframes them as a crucial line of intelligence that evolves and integrates as we develop.
- Awareness and regulation are key skills. The ability to recognize defensive states as they arise and skillfully regulate them is a mark of higher development.
- We retain and integrate earlier defenses as we develop. Instead of “transcending” earlier defensive patterns, we retain access to our full spectrum of defenses as we grow and develop. Higher stages offer greater discernment in applying these defenses, not their elimination.
- Purpose and values guide our defensive responses. The conversation highlights how aligning with deeper purpose and values provides a framework for managing defensive reactions.
“We don’t decide to have defensive states, we discover ourselves in defensive states, or not.” Dr. Keith Witt
How can we become more aware of our defensive reactions as they arise?
What strategies can we employ to transform our instinctive reactions into more constructive responses?
How does our approach to managing defenses evolve as we progress through different stages of development?
In this illuminating conversation, Dr. Keith Witt and Corey deVos explore the intricate world of psychological defenses, presenting them as a critical line of intelligence and development. Dr. Witt introduces his pioneering concept of an “integration of defenses” as a developmental line, illustrating how our defensive mechanisms evolve and manifest across various stages of growth. This fresh perspective offers a nuanced understanding of how we protect ourselves from perceived threats, and more importantly, how we can cultivate greater awareness and control over these instinctive responses.
The discussion navigates through the characteristics of defensive states, including their impact on our emotions, perceptions, and interpersonal dynamics. As they explore this terrain, Keith and Corey shed light on how higher development along this line translates to an enhanced capacity for recognizing defensive states as they arise, and skillfully regulating them into healthier responses. This ability, they argue, is pivotal not only for personal growth, but also for fostering more constructive interactions in our relationships and society at large.
Particularly fascinating is their examination of how defenses manifest differently across developmental stages, from the primal reactions at earlier levels to the more sophisticated and self-aware responses at later stages. Keith and Corey emphasize that even as we progress developmentally, we retain access to our full spectrum of defenses, with higher stages offering greater discernment in their application. This insight challenges simplistic notions of “transcending” our defenses, and instead promotes a more integrative approach to personal development.
The conversation takes on practical dimensions as Keith and Corey discuss strategies for managing our own defensive states and navigating those of others. They stress the importance of purpose, values, and self-awareness in this process, offering valuable insights for both personal growth and professional contexts like psychotherapy. Throughout the discussion, they weave in examples from clinical practice, personal experiences, and societal trends, grounding their theoretical explorations in relatable, real-world scenarios.
Ultimately, this episode presents a hopeful vision of human development, suggesting that as we become more adept at integrating our defenses, we contribute to a broader evolution of global consciousness. We conclude with a powerful reminder that authentic growth isn’t about eliminating our shadows or defensive patterns, but rather developing a greater capacity to work with them mindfully and compassionately. This conversation offers listeners a rich, multifaceted exploration of human psychology and development, providing both theoretical depth and practical wisdom for navigating the complexities of our inner lives and interpersonal relationships.
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About Keith Witt
Dr. Keith Witt is a Licensed Psychologist, teacher, and author who has lived and worked in Santa Barbara, CA. for over forty years. Dr. Witt is also the founder of The School of Love.

About Corey deVos
Corey W. deVos is editor and producer of Integral Life. He has worked for Integral Institute/Integal Life since Spring of 2003, and has been a student of integral theory and practice since 1996. Corey is also a professional woodworker, and many of his artworks can be found in his VisionLogix art gallery.