Topics include:Part 1: When Re-Integration Becomes Regression Part 2: Broken and Whole: Integral Attracts Its Opposite Part 3: Updating Our Maps, Inhabiting the Territory
Ken Wilber and Corey deVos explore some of the unique challenges that come with the transition to Integral stages of development — “the momentous leap” as it is often called.
What makes this particular transformation so momentous? For one thing, it requires a total restructuring and realignment of our own interiors, our own sense-making, and our relationship with the rest of the world “out there”. Which tends to require a great deal of rethinking, self-reporting, anti-fragility, and epistemic humility — all of which have become increasingly scarce resources here in the social media attention age.
Watch as Ken and Corey try to bring a little bit more light to this particular path of transformation, and maybe leave a few signposts for fellow travelers along the way.
Written and produced by Corey deVos
Part 1 — When Re-Integration Becomes Regression
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One of the things that makes the transition to Integral stages so unique, is the fact that previous stage transformations typically require one single ascending vector of growth — we are consciously pushing against the excesses of our current stage and “reaching up” to find a handhold in the next higher stage. Pre-integral stages aren’t aware of the fact that they are stages, so there is nothing telling us that we need to re-integrate prior stages we’ve already developed through. We don’t need to reckon with these prior stages — when we move from the Orange rational stage to the Green pluralistic stage, for example, we don’t concern ourselves very much with “re-integrating” the Amber traditional stage, at least not consciously. We’re simply figuring out how to get from one stage to the next, and once we get there, we rarely look back.
However, when we are transforming into integral stages of thinking, views, and values, it’s not just a “reaching up” that brings us into 2nd-tier, but also a “reaching down” to re-align and re-integrate all previous stages of development that remain alive within us — and therefore to befriend other people who may still be at these stages themselves and get them out of our shadows (and try to keep ourselves out of theirs).
And if we don’t allow that descending self-love to fully take root, then we risk carrying all sorts of 1st-tier shadows, allergies, and addictions with us into Integral stages, or even sabotaging our own transformation into those stages.
However, the need to re-integrate prior stages as we move into Integral stages can sometimes lead us to some fairly regressive places. So I wanted to talk to Ken about the different kinds of regression that are possible within both individuals and groups.
True regression within an individual — that is, regression within a particular intelligence or line of development, such as the cognitive line for example — is rare, and usually only seen in cases of head trauma, brain damage, excessive drug addiction, etc. The wiring of our brains changes, and so do our capacities.
But there are some facets of self that CAN regress without this sort of UR quadrant biological disruption. Particularly our worldviews, which are often informed and influenced not by our brain chemistry, but by the sorts of groups that we identify with. And groups can get activated and radicalized in all sorts of ways — and when they do, this tends to shift the worldviews of every individual who is a member of that group. This is particularly pernicious for pre-integral stages of development, since there is no notion of vertical development that can act as guardrails in our own ongoing growth and/or regression. We certainly see this sort of thing happening on both political extremes these days.
And this kind of regression becomes even more likely when we are carrying unexamined shadow material from previous stages in our psyche. These are often shadows that remain submerged until our life conditions arrange themselves in such a way that they come to the surface and hijack our overall center of gravity. For example, we might have a hidden Amber shadow that causes us to unconsciously separate people into us vs. them groups, and that shadow can easily become inflamed when our own surrounding group begins to perceive another group as enemy. In which case, we still retain our higher developmental capacities, but those capacities are then bent around an early-stage shadow fixation that our overall self-system continues to trip over.
Meanwhile, groups remain messy as ever, and can easily and quickly progress and/or regress in all sorts of ways as soon as some central dynamic within the group shifts. As we often say, the center of gravity of a group is sort of like playing a game of poker, where the players decide the rules of the game between each hand. If you have a table of green individuals at the poker table, the rules will be more or less green. But as soon as half the green folks leave, and are then replaced by amber folks, the game goes on but the rules change quite a bit, and the table’s center of gravity drops. We can see this in things like identity groups and political parties all the time.
And of course our personal shadows can then be doubly reinforced by our surrounding groups. If I have an amber shadow, and that shadow then attracts a larger amber audience who consistently rewards me for my amber shadow, that shadow then becomes reinforced by my surrounding group and my future expressions are more likely to conform to that pattern. Especially in the attention age, when my livelihood depends on having an audience who will pay that attention to me. We begin to tailor our expression to the groups who are most receptive to our brokenness, which can seduce us into thinking our brokenness is in fact a different kind of wholeness. (This relates to a point we made in our previous episode together, where we talked about how a pursuit of wholeness can cause us to associate with groups that are, in reality, less whole than ourselves, because those groups are being driven by stages that would otherwise be regressive to us.)
We also discuss the idea of a “regression in service of the ego”, which describes a very temporary, typically deliberate (and guided) regression in order to redress some injury or shadow that remains in our system. Not the sort of thing we typically see in groups, however – because again, the overall views and values of the group are determined by the shared interiors between members of that group.
It’s sometimes the case that we think we are “regressing in service of” all sorts of different things — in service of society, of culture, and yes, of our own ego. And we can trick ourselves into thinking we are doing it for “integral” reasons. For example, we might suddenly see the excesses of green, and then push that green entirely out of our own self-system, instead aligning ourselves with all sorts of anti-green worldviews (that are really pre-green). But if we can only see green “out there” and we can’t find any of it “in here”, then we’re probably not taking any real momentous leaps into integral consciousness, because our own allergies are preventing us from doing so.
Part 2 — Broken and Whole: Integral Attracts Its Opposite
Another challenge we should always be mindful of as we are growing into these integral stages is the actual source of our attraction to this material in the first place. To many of us, Integral represents a new kind of wholeness — many kinds of wholeness, actually, as Ken and I talked about in our previous episode. And many of us are deeply attracted to this idea and possibility of wholeness – largely because of an innate sense of brokenness that we feel, either in the world around us, or more often, in ourselves.
Integral, as a vision of wholeness, often attracts its opposite.
And this is a critical thing for us to keep an eye on. We are all wounded healers in our own way, and it’s often a race to see who will win — our wounds, or our healing. We’ve seen more than a few casualities in this space over the years, including everything from suicides to borderline personalities to full-on psychotic breaks in the middle of integral conferences.
Which is why the paths of waking up and cleaning up are so critical, because both of them can help keep our own sense of “brokenness” in check. Cleaning Up reminds us to keep a careful eye on our own sense of brokenness, real or imagined — especially those broken parts we cannot yet see within ourselves. Meanwhile, Waking Up exposes us to the timeless wholeness that we always already are, whether we consciously know it or not, which not only connects us with this timeless Absolute awareness, but also helps us tap into a Ground of Being that becomes an inexhaustible source of radical acceptance, forgiveness, mindfulness, and anti-fragility in the relative world, which in turn helps assist our efforts to heal the various wounds we may still be carrying in our separate selves.
Watch as Ken and Corey discuss the different ways we can project our own brokenness — and our own wholeness — and how we can bring more healing and integration as we make the momentous leap into Integral stages of development.
Part 3 — Updating Our Maps, Inhabiting the Territory
Here we talk about one of the common challenges that we’ve seen over the last two decades of working with the online integral project — particularly the challenge of learning the integral map before we are actually familiar with the integral territory that it describes.
Almost all of Ken’s books have some caution about this — he reminds us again and again that “this is a map, and the map is not the territory.” But one of the most common dysfunctions we see in this space, is a purely cognitive enactment of integral without the sorts of interpersonal, intrapersonal, moral, and spiritual intelligences (among others) that are required for a fully-embodied integral consciousness (which basically describes the path of Opening Up, where we begin to nourish and nurture any number of developmental capacities, often using something like an Integral Life Practice to do so.
This challenge often seems to arise when we receive this integral map while still largely at a pre-integral stage of our own development, which likely describes a great many people who are watching right now. We naturally enact these maps according to our current stage — if our overall worldview or center of gravity is orange, we enact the map in a predominantly orange way. If our view or center of gravity is green, we enact it in a green way. And at these stages we are often blind to the deeper territories that map actually represents, because we have not yet fully developed the interior referents for those signifiers.
And because we are using the sorts of signifiers and terminologies that correspond to the integral territories these maps are describing, we can easily convince ourselves that we “get it”, that we must be successfully inhabiting that territory, thinking we are integral because we think we know what a “quadrant” is. But sometimes we forget that our actual perception and enactment of these quadrants, or the developmental stages, or any other territory described by this map, continues to grow and deepen. We don’t get that we might only be using it as a mere conceptual tool rather than, say, a way to perceive and inhabit the fundamental perspectives that comprise the fabric of reality itself. We’re pushing boxes around on a piece of paper while telling ourselves we are doing real integral work.
And this becomes really challenging, because when it comes to the path of Growing Up, at every step we need to closely re-examine and re-assess our own cherished maps of reality, as well as the various assumptions and presuppositions that we’ve drawn from them, while keeping ourselves open to the idea that our current understanding may not be the fullest understanding possible. Our pre-integral enactment of the integral map can become calcified — which means that, when some of us are inevitably confronted with the limitations of their own currently-partial enactments of these maps, we forget that we are supposed to be growing into the territory, and instead begin to believe we are growing out of integral altogether. But we’re not, we are just outgrowing a lower-resolution enactment of these maps, because we believe we’ve already achieved the highest-resolution view possible. We’re looking at a sphere, but only see a circle.
Which is why it’s often the case that the people who believe they have outgrown the integral project, have in reality only just begun to scratch the surface. It’s another reason why we’ve seen some casualties over the years among people who are trying to grow into this territory — the momentous leap becomes a bridge too far, and sometimes people can fall through the gaps as a result. Hopefully, discussions such as these can provide some sort of safety net.
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